ERJ vs CRJ
11-29-2007 | 12:30 PM
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The I is a dog, the II is a bit better, but the Encore will leave the CRJ/ERJ in the dust on takeoff performance. On a cruise climb at V/S locked on 1000fpm, .68-.70 is not uncommon. It's that damned straight wing that does us in on cruise... with that you're lucky to see 180KIAS (m.755) at FL450.
11-29-2007 | 02:29 PM
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The I is a dog, the II is a bit better, but the Encore will leave the CRJ/ERJ in the dust on takeoff performance. On a cruise climb at V/S locked on 1000fpm, .68-.70 is not uncommon. It's that damned straight wing that does us in on cruise... with that you're lucky to see 180KIAS (m.755) at FL450.
11-29-2007 | 03:05 PM
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On another note, I understand flying raw data to keep fresh, but shouldn't we all be using the highest level of automation available to us on a regular basis? Its the turboprop mentality that has people driving jets around at high subsonic speeds with 50+ people and hand flying. When the crunch is on, give the jet to george and free up the brain bytes. That's why the engineers and test pilots put him there.
But to answer your question, no. I think it borders on irresponsible to use automation religiously. The two best Captains I've flown with flew raw-data almost exclusively. They were sharp as nails and I learned a ton on both trips. And let's be honest. I feel safer with my family on a ratty-old DC-9 or 727 with two crusty old guys who have never seen a FD or FMS...than one of our state-of-the-art RJ's. We Pilots today would NOT cut it 30 years ago...That's a sad fact!
11-29-2007 | 05:15 PM
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I fibbed just a little bit in my earlier post...on my first approach to mins I let George fly. I won't be responsible for a go-around when I screw something up. I will gladly give George the aircraft when safety of flight calls for it.
But to answer your question, no. I think it borders on irresponsible to use automation religiously. The two best Captains I've flown with flew raw-data almost exclusively. They were sharp as nails and I learned a ton on both trips. And let's be honest. I feel safer with my family on a ratty-old DC-9 or 727 with two crusty old guys who have never seen a FD or FMS...than one of our state-of-the-art RJ's. We Pilots today would NOT cut it 30 years ago...That's a sad fact!
But to answer your question, no. I think it borders on irresponsible to use automation religiously. The two best Captains I've flown with flew raw-data almost exclusively. They were sharp as nails and I learned a ton on both trips. And let's be honest. I feel safer with my family on a ratty-old DC-9 or 727 with two crusty old guys who have never seen a FD or FMS...than one of our state-of-the-art RJ's. We Pilots today would NOT cut it 30 years ago...That's a sad fact!
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11-29-2007 | 06:19 PM
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The I is a dog, the II is a bit better, but the Encore will leave the CRJ/ERJ in the dust on takeoff performance. On a cruise climb at V/S locked on 1000fpm, .68-.70 is not uncommon. It's that damned straight wing that does us in on cruise... with that you're lucky to see 180KIAS (m.755) at FL450.
11-29-2007 | 06:29 PM
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\As far as flying goes the autopilot in the CRJ 200 is crap, but they fixed it on the 7's and 9's. It commands a 15 degree pitch up when you bug 200 and are going 175 at 10 degrees, then comes all the way down to 2.5 degrees to try to compensate for the amazing slowing trend, then back to 15 up as you shoot through 200... ugh not that I have ever done that...
11-29-2007 | 06:42 PM
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I guess its a good thing its not still 30 years ago. I hate guys who think they have to hand fly everything just to prove how big their balls are. I usually handfly the departure up to 10 or so but for an approach I'll let Jorge drive until he gives me a reason not to. Gives me more time to think about the big picture and maintain SA rather than trying to do the simple, mundane things that the autopilot does very well (like hold that heading and altitude and speed on a gusty day down low going into EWR).
11-29-2007 | 06:49 PM
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11-29-2007 | 08:39 PM
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the only time i'm hand flying the approach is in visual conditions, after the gear & flaps are extended. i kick it off around 2000ft or so and hand-fly it the rest of the way (still lazy and let the autothrottles do their thing). when i do a full ILS (like into HPN last week) to mins, i sit there with my finger on the red button waiting for the runway lights or pavement to appear.
i hand fly to keep the feel of flying the thing, in case i need to. but i always let Jorge fly it when the soup is way down.
i hand fly to keep the feel of flying the thing, in case i need to. but i always let Jorge fly it when the soup is way down.
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