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Old 12-03-2007 | 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by N6724G
Yesterday, I had the opportunity to fly a MD-90 sim at a major airline training center. I had a great time. I realize now that a lot of folks on her eare right. Pilots definantly need to be paid more thanthey are to do what they do. Flying a jet is a totally differant experience than flying light twins or GA aircraft.

SO I have strenghtened my position that CFIing I do not believe will help you be a better part 121 FO on a jet. I am a CFI and nothing I learned inCFI school or anything Ipractice today as a CFI is going to help. I was introduced yesterday to auto throttles ( I had never heard of this before, it was amazing) Spoliers, speed brakes, and other things I NEER learned about in GA training.

So, please tell me again how does CFIing prepare you fo this? I need to refocus my attention if I am going to do this airline pilot thing. I need to become profieicant in jets and their systems.
What happens when all that auto "gee whiz" stuff fails? Guess what, your flying a DC-9!
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Old 12-03-2007 | 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg52
What happens when all that auto "gee whiz" stuff fails? Guess what, your flying a DC-9!
The man speaks truth. And you'll definitely need your core of experience then. Boeing builds airplanes, Douglas builds character.
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Old 12-03-2007 | 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by N6724G
You are coaching someone else. So your skills will deteriate unless you get in a sim or something and manipulate the controls yourself. Sitting in the right seat and talking someone throough a hold will help your situational awareness and help you plan and stay ahead of the plane but your motor skills arent being improved.
Sounds like you're barking up the wrong tree here my friend...These guys don't fly Airplanes anymore - they let George do all the work

CFI'ing (even for the short two weeks I did) was a fantastic experience...I think it has the potential to help you become an better Airline Pilot just because you are out there busting your tail in what is most likely your first and only pilot job prior to going to the Airlines. It gives you a bit of time to learn to understand things like the ATC system better, since you're in it every day...other than that, if you've got good people skills, you're right - CFI'ing and 121 are two different animals - they are different skill-sets. The benefits of CFI'ing that relate directly to the 121 environment are really limited to the fact that you're really just flying every day. Don't let anybody tell you different...

Best of luck when you make the jump over, my friend!
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Old 12-03-2007 | 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg52
What happens when all that auto "gee whiz" stuff fails? Guess what, your flying a DC-9!
That's a scary thought. These RJ guys having to fly an Airplane! Eek...I thought that wasn't safe?!
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Old 12-03-2007 | 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
That's a scary thought. These RJ guys having to fly an Airplane! Eek...I thought that wasn't safe?!
Th you. Yes, I have that Turbine Pilots handbook with the CD. Its ok, but I still have questions.

ASAS wont even let me interview unless I have had some kind of jet transition course. They told me that. Plus I think it'd be good to give me a leg up.

I am one that believes in pre planning. I want to be ready when I get to the jet training, so any thing I do to prepare mysefl for that would be helpful. If I get to class and have already flown a CRJ sim wouldnt that be more helpful than getting to class and never touched the thing?

Anyway, I really appreciate the advice. Pilts are a good group of folks.
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Old 12-03-2007 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
That's a scary thought. These RJ guys having to fly an Airplane! Eek...I thought that wasn't safe?!

You're right, its not safe to have a 500 hour pilot in a jet
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Old 12-03-2007 | 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by N6724G
Th you. Yes, I have that Turbine Pilots handbook with the CD. Its ok, but I still have questions.

ASAS wont even let me interview unless I have had some kind of jet transition course. They told me that. Plus I think it'd be good to give me a leg up.

I am one that believes in pre planning. I want to be ready when I get to the jet training, so any thing I do to prepare mysefl for that would be helpful. If I get to class and have already flown a CRJ sim wouldnt that be more helpful than getting to class and never touched the thing?

Anyway, I really appreciate the advice. Pilts are a good group of folks.
Ok, I will do everyone a favor and sum up what is about to be posted real quick...

Do Not pay for CRJ training. It is a waste of about 7,500 big ones, when you could get the training for free when you get to class. Don't buy a CRJ manual, because you may learn something the wrong way its meant to be portrayed, and then have to unscrew your head, and start over fresh. Plus, don't have your heart set on the CRJ. You may wind up in an ERJ/EMB, ATR, J3100, Saab, BE1900?!

We all suggest some sort of PIC role before you get to the regionals. It will not only make you more compitent, but it will also build your confidence in your ability. Whether it is Instructing, Cargo, Banner Towing, whatever. You need to develoup the ability to make important decisions such as a "go-no go" type decisions. A job like one of the above, indirectly, is training you to be a Captain - think of it that way.

Good luck in whatever you decide to do. Just BE SAFE!
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Old 12-03-2007 | 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by N6724G
Th you. Yes, I have that Turbine Pilots handbook with the CD. Its ok, but I still have questions.

ASAS wont even let me interview unless I have had some kind of jet transition course. They told me that. Plus I think it'd be good to give me a leg up.

I am one that believes in pre planning. I want to be ready when I get to the jet training, so any thing I do to prepare mysefl for that would be helpful. If I get to class and have already flown a CRJ sim wouldnt that be more helpful than getting to class and never touched the thing?

Anyway, I really appreciate the advice. Pilts are a good group of folks.
Even if you take the transition course, ASA is going to train you to fly the way ASA flies. They won't care what you did before, just that you do things their way. Same is true of Pinnacle, PSA, Skywest, Republic, and anyone else. They will train you to fly their way. I don't believe a jet course is worth the money when I can get hired, study, train, and always have some contacts who can give good advice.

Originally Posted by flynavyj
Another point was made by my sim instructor during my initial training. An airline didn't hire a First Officer....they hired a Captain (atleast that is their hope for you) in training. With experience, they're expecting you to be able to perform the duties of the PIC. The reason an ATP can use his captain experience in renewing his CFI certificates is because the FAA actually expects you to be instructing/mentoring first officers into captains. If you've never instructed a person before, this little "phase" of the job might be a little bit difficult for you to accomplish.
This brings up a question. What will happen when all the new FO's who skipped instructing become captains and have to train the new hires?
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Old 12-03-2007 | 11:28 AM
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This brings up a question. What will happen when all the new FO's who skipped instructing become captains and have to train the new hires?
This is a good point. Other then being sharp on instrument procedures, steep turns, chandelles, etc., instructing teaches you something that you don't get anywhere else. It teaches you about the psychology of people. I feel, though I'm not a captain yet, that having the instructing experience and seeing all walks of life, it will make that portion of the transition from the left to the right seat, that much easier.

...my 2 cents
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Old 12-03-2007 | 11:50 AM
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It will not only make you more compitent, but it will also build your confidence in your ability.
Laxrox you've got that right.

The time I've spent instructing has not done a great deal to build physical stick-and-rudder skills BUT I have picked up a great deal of confidenence wrt PIC judgement and procedural knowledge. Not only that but what is instructing other than CRM on a slightly different scale?
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