Search

Notices
Regional Regional Airlines

Flew a Sim yesterday

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 12-04-2007 | 07:37 AM
  #51  
Line Holder
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 52
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by N6724G
Here's the problem though. An ASA recruiter called me and wont eevn let me come to an interview unless I have some type of jet transition course or jet training. So I cant even get in te door.
I mean no offense by this, but take the blinders off. If ASA wants a transition course, move on to the next regional on your list. everybody is hiring. If they are giving you a hard time because your multi time is low (I'm assuming this). You would be better off spending the cash on a MEI and/or getting your multi hours up.
I agree with everything positive said about CFI'ing. I've been a part time CFII/MEI for several years now and nothing teaches you how to deal with people better. The MEI takes that to the next level. These people skills come in handy when you are on a trip with "that" captain or FO.
Good luck, I would hold on to the $$.
Reply
Old 12-04-2007 | 08:27 AM
  #52  
flynavyj's Avatar
Gets EVERY weekend off
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 1,367
Likes: 0
From: SIC
Default

I'd also hold on to the $$, they would be better spent somewhere else. It's possible that ASA is your top pick of regionals, and if that's the case, see what they'd require you to do to get hired. Splitting time with someone for 8 grand in a twin might make more sense, plus it'll make you more marketable to everyone, not just companies who like jet familiarization courses.

The reasoning the majority of pilots out here believe you don't need a jet transition course is because the majority of us didn't need one either. Some of us learn quicker than others. The key is to be willing to study, read your books, know your callouts, know your flows. A jet course WILL teach you to do things wrong, this is true because they're generic. And EVERY company flies the airplane differently, some fly 180 kts on the base leg, flaps clean, some flaps down, some do 200 knots until turning final, etc. It'd be nice to "see" things in a simulator, but it'd be much nicer to not have to go against the law of primacy and re-learn everything the RIGHT way....i just see the course as being a possible hindrance to your training, and not necessarily a benefit. just my .02
Reply
Old 12-04-2007 | 12:04 PM
  #53  
Laxrox43's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,114
Likes: 0
From: A320/321 FO
Default

Shoot...worse case scenario...

Get hired at PSA, work there for a few months, and jump ship once you get hired at ASA? Not the best way to go about it...but at least you won't have to pay for the training and familiarization!
Reply
Old 12-04-2007 | 09:52 PM
  #54  
HerkFCC's Avatar
layin' in tha cut...
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 138
Likes: 0
From: C-130 Flying Crew Chief
Default

Originally Posted by Deez340
The man speaks truth. And you'll definitely need your core of experience then. Boeing builds airplanes, Douglas builds character.

Oh boy, back on the nines again. Great airplanes. Worked on them when I was at KBLV when I was a young troop..

Douglas built great airplanes. Period.
Reply
Old 12-05-2007 | 03:25 PM
  #55  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 1,857
Likes: 0
Default

I'm pretty well tired of hearing this "what happens when all the automation breaks?" crap. If you're an FO flying a modern jet in a situation that involves both FDs being broken and the captain unable to fly (for whatever reason), things are probably bad enough that you're going to die regardless of how well you can fly raw data.
Reply
Old 12-05-2007 | 04:45 PM
  #56  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 639
Likes: 0
From: SAABster
Default

Originally Posted by N6724G
Yesterday, I had the opportunity to fly a MD-90 sim at a major airline training center. I had a great time. I realize now that a lot of folks on her eare right. Pilots definantly need to be paid more thanthey are to do what they do. Flying a jet is a totally differant experience than flying light twins or GA aircraft.

SO I have strenghtened my position that CFIing I do not believe will help you be a better part 121 FO on a jet. I am a CFI and nothing I learned inCFI school or anything Ipractice today as a CFI is going to help. I was introduced yesterday to auto throttles ( I had never heard of this before, it was amazing) Spoliers, speed brakes, and other things I NEER learned about in GA training.

So, please tell me again how does CFIing prepare you fo this? I need to refocus my attention if I am going to do this airline pilot thing. I need to become profieicant in jets and their systems.
Maybe as an F/O being a CFI doesn't add to it. But, think about ALL the newhire F/O's coming online and you're a NEW Captain! You will need that 3rd sense a CFI has so you don't kill everybody!
Reply
Old 12-05-2007 | 04:57 PM
  #57  
spartanpilot's Avatar
Line Holder
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 93
Likes: 0
From: EMB-145, FO
Default

knowledge, experience, ohhhh and getting paid and not spending anymore money to fly! I agree with XJpilot1, when you become a captain guess what you will be doing again.......thats right flight instructing but from the left seat cause your first officer has the minimum required for a commercial certificate.
Reply
Old 12-05-2007 | 05:18 PM
  #58  
ebl14's Avatar
Line Holder
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 932
Likes: 77
From: 73N
Default

A jet transition course is valuble, no matter what anyone else says. When I was in training, all of those who failed had no expierence in a jet or a transition course. Its not that you won't have to study all the companies profiles, procedures.. bla bla bla, you will. But the first 2-4 sims when everyone else is learning what all the knobs and switches do instead of working through the lessons, you will already be working on more of the procedures so the first time you see a V1 cut isn't at sim 5-6. Is it worth 8Gs? Thats debateable, but it will definately help you in training. I saw a guy in my class with 3000 plus hours, much of it single pilot IFR in a caravan, guess what, he was lost in the CRJ, with a transition course the learning curve wouldn't have been too steep for him. CFIing and gaining hours in a senica will not help you in a CRJ (or equivalent) on the same level as one of those courses, period. FInd a cheaper one, or maybe buy a couple lessons familiarizing yourself in an FTD of the type of aircraft you intend to fly at your next job.
Reply
Old 12-05-2007 | 05:27 PM
  #59  
Slice's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 3,652
Likes: 0
From: Spartan
Default

With few exceptions, if you can't pass airline training without taking an intro course, you probably don't yet belong in an airliner. It's amazing how thousands of guys successfully made it through training before these RJ courses popped up.
Reply
Old 12-05-2007 | 05:31 PM
  #60  
TXTECHKA's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 382
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by ebl14
A jet transition course is valuble, no matter what anyone else says. When I was in training, all of those who failed had no expierence in a jet or a transition course. Its not that you won't have to study all the companies profiles, procedures.. bla bla bla, you will. But the first 2-4 sims when everyone else is learning what all the knobs and switches do instead of working through the lessons, you will already be working on more of the procedures so the first time you see a V1 cut isn't at sim 5-6. Is it worth 8Gs? Thats debateable, but it will definately help you in training. I saw a guy in my class with 3000 plus hours, much of it single pilot IFR in a caravan, guess what, he was lost in the CRJ, with a transition course the learning curve wouldn't have been too steep for him. CFIing and gaining hours in a senica will not help you in a CRJ (or equivalent) on the same level as one of those courses, period. FInd a cheaper one, or maybe buy a couple lessons familiarizing yourself in an FTD of the type of aircraft you intend to fly at your next job.
If you don't have the skills to make it in a new job without buying time in type, you may need to save your money and find something else to do. If you are a competent, experienced pilot you should have no trouble being proficient in an aircraft after being trained on it. If you have to buy time to be able to pass company training, then you aren't ready...period. Being a cfi will help you become a more competent pilot than just about anything else especially if you go from that to night single pilot ifr flying cargo or something.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
bsh932
Regional
12
11-09-2007 06:26 PM
dbo861
Regional
2
10-17-2007 03:42 PM
Relic01
Major
2
09-29-2007 10:07 AM
Lear55driver
Regional
1
08-11-2005 03:56 PM
Lear55driver
Flight Schools and Training
1
08-10-2005 04:59 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices