Flew a Sim yesterday
#51
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I agree with everything positive said about CFI'ing. I've been a part time CFII/MEI for several years now and nothing teaches you how to deal with people better. The MEI takes that to the next level. These people skills come in handy when you are on a trip with "that" captain or FO.
Good luck, I would hold on to the $$.
#52
I'd also hold on to the $$, they would be better spent somewhere else. It's possible that ASA is your top pick of regionals, and if that's the case, see what they'd require you to do to get hired. Splitting time with someone for 8 grand in a twin might make more sense, plus it'll make you more marketable to everyone, not just companies who like jet familiarization courses.
The reasoning the majority of pilots out here believe you don't need a jet transition course is because the majority of us didn't need one either. Some of us learn quicker than others. The key is to be willing to study, read your books, know your callouts, know your flows. A jet course WILL teach you to do things wrong, this is true because they're generic. And EVERY company flies the airplane differently, some fly 180 kts on the base leg, flaps clean, some flaps down, some do 200 knots until turning final, etc. It'd be nice to "see" things in a simulator, but it'd be much nicer to not have to go against the law of primacy and re-learn everything the RIGHT way....i just see the course as being a possible hindrance to your training, and not necessarily a benefit. just my .02
The reasoning the majority of pilots out here believe you don't need a jet transition course is because the majority of us didn't need one either. Some of us learn quicker than others. The key is to be willing to study, read your books, know your callouts, know your flows. A jet course WILL teach you to do things wrong, this is true because they're generic. And EVERY company flies the airplane differently, some fly 180 kts on the base leg, flaps clean, some flaps down, some do 200 knots until turning final, etc. It'd be nice to "see" things in a simulator, but it'd be much nicer to not have to go against the law of primacy and re-learn everything the RIGHT way....i just see the course as being a possible hindrance to your training, and not necessarily a benefit. just my .02
#53
Shoot...worse case scenario...
Get hired at PSA, work there for a few months, and jump ship once you get hired at ASA? Not the best way to go about it...but at least you won't have to pay for the training and familiarization!
Get hired at PSA, work there for a few months, and jump ship once you get hired at ASA? Not the best way to go about it...but at least you won't have to pay for the training and familiarization!
#54
Oh boy, back on the nines again. Great airplanes. Worked on them when I was at KBLV when I was a young troop..
Douglas built great airplanes. Period.
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I'm pretty well tired of hearing this "what happens when all the automation breaks?" crap. If you're an FO flying a modern jet in a situation that involves both FDs being broken and the captain unable to fly (for whatever reason), things are probably bad enough that you're going to die regardless of how well you can fly raw data.
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From: SAABster
Yesterday, I had the opportunity to fly a MD-90 sim at a major airline training center. I had a great time. I realize now that a lot of folks on her eare right. Pilots definantly need to be paid more thanthey are to do what they do. Flying a jet is a totally differant experience than flying light twins or GA aircraft.
SO I have strenghtened my position that CFIing I do not believe will help you be a better part 121 FO on a jet. I am a CFI and nothing I learned inCFI school or anything Ipractice today as a CFI is going to help. I was introduced yesterday to auto throttles ( I had never heard of this before, it was amazing) Spoliers, speed brakes, and other things I NEER learned about in GA training.
So, please tell me again how does CFIing prepare you fo this? I need to refocus my attention if I am going to do this airline pilot thing. I need to become profieicant in jets and their systems.
SO I have strenghtened my position that CFIing I do not believe will help you be a better part 121 FO on a jet. I am a CFI and nothing I learned inCFI school or anything Ipractice today as a CFI is going to help. I was introduced yesterday to auto throttles ( I had never heard of this before, it was amazing) Spoliers, speed brakes, and other things I NEER learned about in GA training.
So, please tell me again how does CFIing prepare you fo this? I need to refocus my attention if I am going to do this airline pilot thing. I need to become profieicant in jets and their systems.
#57
knowledge, experience, ohhhh and getting paid and not spending anymore money to fly! I agree with XJpilot1, when you become a captain guess what you will be doing again.......thats right flight instructing but from the left seat cause your first officer has the minimum required for a commercial certificate.
#58
A jet transition course is valuble, no matter what anyone else says. When I was in training, all of those who failed had no expierence in a jet or a transition course. Its not that you won't have to study all the companies profiles, procedures.. bla bla bla, you will. But the first 2-4 sims when everyone else is learning what all the knobs and switches do instead of working through the lessons, you will already be working on more of the procedures so the first time you see a V1 cut isn't at sim 5-6. Is it worth 8Gs? Thats debateable, but it will definately help you in training. I saw a guy in my class with 3000 plus hours, much of it single pilot IFR in a caravan, guess what, he was lost in the CRJ, with a transition course the learning curve wouldn't have been too steep for him. CFIing and gaining hours in a senica will not help you in a CRJ (or equivalent) on the same level as one of those courses, period. FInd a cheaper one, or maybe buy a couple lessons familiarizing yourself in an FTD of the type of aircraft you intend to fly at your next job.
#59
With few exceptions, if you can't pass airline training without taking an intro course, you probably don't yet belong in an airliner. It's amazing how thousands of guys successfully made it through training before these RJ courses popped up.
#60
A jet transition course is valuble, no matter what anyone else says. When I was in training, all of those who failed had no expierence in a jet or a transition course. Its not that you won't have to study all the companies profiles, procedures.. bla bla bla, you will. But the first 2-4 sims when everyone else is learning what all the knobs and switches do instead of working through the lessons, you will already be working on more of the procedures so the first time you see a V1 cut isn't at sim 5-6. Is it worth 8Gs? Thats debateable, but it will definately help you in training. I saw a guy in my class with 3000 plus hours, much of it single pilot IFR in a caravan, guess what, he was lost in the CRJ, with a transition course the learning curve wouldn't have been too steep for him. CFIing and gaining hours in a senica will not help you in a CRJ (or equivalent) on the same level as one of those courses, period. FInd a cheaper one, or maybe buy a couple lessons familiarizing yourself in an FTD of the type of aircraft you intend to fly at your next job.
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