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Old 12-05-2007 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
Do you need a tissue! Are you crying?

You sound like a broken record, dwelling on what's happened and not focusing on how to change. Coming on here and attacking others based upon your assumptions isn't going to get us anywhere!

I'm fighting but I’m not fighting my fellow brethren like you are. You should know, that is if you’re actually an airline pilot, that when you're apart of a labor group one voice can easily be drowned out. BUT over time that voice can create an echo that will hopefully redirect the voices of others. Remember that Rome wasn’t built in a day and it took the efforts of millions!
i had a debate with jetlock in another thread. your wasting your breath. He thinks his 70-90 seater is the wave of the future and anything you say contrary to that will only force him to revert to childish name calling and beating his chest on how he wants to fight for a future.

Some people just wont get it. He probably managed 10 yrs at a petsmart or other retail chain where catchy phrases like "building rome..." "adapt, move die..." were in their quarterly reports. Since he is obviously gods greatest gift to the airlines you cant talk any sense into him. Its comical thinking there are people on that big of an ego trip in this industry but it is also the reason for a lot of our problems.

save it jetlock i really dont care for your tirade about how everybody but you is stupid. Maybe you should listen to the dozens of people on here telling you your wrong instead of beating your chest in the corner with the two people that support your position.
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Old 12-05-2007 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by meritflyer
Pilots drown themselves through supporting labor practices of certain airlines. You should know that.

I dont support certain "fellow brethren". Should I support guys at GoJet, Skybus, Virgin, TSA, or any other airline that accpets sub par everything in exchange to be called a pilot? We make our own beds.

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The exact reason why I don't fly for Mesa or GoJet. I chose to hold out for an airline that at least as shown they appreciate their pilots and have done so for over 35 years. That’s 35 years of growth with no furloughs and no pay cuts, all while keeping the same Mgmnt in place. Yes I never even sent a resume into MAG, GoJet, PSA, TSA or any other of the bottom feeder carriers. My list was very short, SKW and XJT are the only who regional carriers I wanted to start my professional pilot career with.

Over a year ago my pilot group voted in a BS pay proposal that wasn't even worth the paper it was written on (I obviously voted NO). It was good through 2011 but Mgmnt has now decided that they want to pay us more and is currently working to increase all of our rates by Jan 1st. Now show me another airline that would no that. They obviously don't have too but they WANT too. Not SWA, UPS or any other airline for that matter would think about such a gesture of good well until after their contract had expired. Yes the pay won't be what it should be but we’ll just have to keep working until it is and I’m in this industry for the long haul. Are you or are you going to whine and then cut and run?
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Old 12-05-2007 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by newarkblows
i had a debate with jetlock in another thread. your wasting your breath. He thinks his 70-90 seater is the wave of the future and anything you say contrary to that will only force him to revert to childish name calling and beating his chest on how he wants to fight for a future.

Some people just wont get it. He probably managed 10 yrs at a petsmart or other retail chain where catchy phrases like "building rome..." "adapt, move die..." were in their quarterly reports. Since he is obviously gods greatest gift to the airlines you cant talk any sense into him. Its comical thinking there are people on that big of an ego trip in this industry but it is also the reason for a lot of our problems.

save it jetlock i really dont care for your tirade about how everybody but you is stupid. Maybe you should listen to the dozens of people on here telling you your wrong instead of beating your chest in the corner with the two people that support your position.
Really, it seems that you are on a very short list. I don't have to prove myself to you or anyone else but I do find it hilarious that you feel the need to degrade me. Did I sleep with your girl or something?

Take your juvenile shots; you're just another example of the blind supporting the blind. The industry is cyclical and fighting each other isn’t going to change it. But you obviously understand this?
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Old 12-05-2007 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by newarkblows
i had a debate with jetlock in another thread. your wasting your breath. He thinks his 70-90 seater is the wave of the future and anything you say contrary to that will only force him to revert to childish name calling and beating his chest on how he wants to fight for a future.
Yes I do feel that 80-110 seat a/c will be a huge part of our future regardless of whether regional or mainline pilot are flying them. But I do hope anything above 76 seats goes to mainline seeing they've already let the cat out of the bag on 76 and below.

BTW, this isn’t some radical opinion. I think it's obvious the industry is continuing to change and resisting will only cause you to have health problems.
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Old 12-05-2007 | 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
The exact reason why I don't fly for Mesa or GoJet. I chose to hold out for an airline that at least as shown they appreciate their pilots and have done so for over 35 years. That’s 35 years of growth with no furloughs and no pay cuts, all while keeping the same Mgmnt in place.
Kool-Aid at SkyWest is ice cold and served often.

Over a year ago my pilot group voted in a BS pay proposal that wasn't even worth the paper it was written on (I obviously voted NO). It was good through 2011 but Mgmnt has now decided that they want to pay us more and is currently working to increase all of our rates by Jan 1st. Now show me another airline that would no that. They obviously don't have too but they WANT too. Not SWA, UPS or any other airline for that matter would think about such a gesture of good well until after their contract had expired. Yes the pay won't be what it should be but we’ll just have to keep working until it is and I’m in this industry for the long haul. Are you or are you going to whine and then cut and run?
You're pilot group has no choice but to accept exactly what management feeds up being a non-unionized carrier. Just look at your -900 pay or lack thereof. Again, the Kool-Aid you're drinking must be delicious. Is it grape?
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Old 12-05-2007 | 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
But I do hope anything above 76 seats goes to mainline seeing they've already let the cat out of the bag on 76 and below.
CAL didnt. American didn't. I've got a lot of respect for those guys for that simple fact.
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Old 12-05-2007 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by meritflyer
Kool-Aid at SkyWest is ice cold and served often.



You're pilot group has no choice but to accept exactly what management feeds up being a non-unionized carrier. Just look at your -900 pay or lack thereof. Again, the Kool-Aid you're drinking must be delicious. Is it grape?
Did you miss the part where I said I voted NO for our current pay policy? And having respect for the job our Mgmnt is doing doesn't make me a pilot hater. They’ve done an outstanding job with the resource they been given and will continue to do so regardless of what I or you think. I say this based upon business facts not opinions, their history speaks for itself.

As far as our choices, stating the obvious isn't hard to do.

BTW, they let us choose you flavor and it's served with an entire meal! What does your company give you, spam?

Take a look around, other than SWA tell me whose Mgmnt has done a better job than ours and then prove it. You can't!
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Old 12-05-2007 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by meritflyer
CAL didnt. American didn't. I've got a lot of respect for those guys for that simple fact.
And so do I, but I've heard CAL's on the verge! Every mainline concession allows for another green horn to get a job and a battle weathered vet to potentially take a seat, regardless of what you think I do not agree with this. Who could, seeing it ultimately weakens our future.

My Father was senior Braniff CA so I fully understand how cyclical our industry is.

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Old 12-05-2007 | 01:17 PM
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And so do I, but I've heard CAL's on the verge!
That right there show's your insight.

CAL is nowhere close to giving in. Apparently you didn't see or hear their MEC's latest response to the pressure. In summary, it said hell no.
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Old 12-05-2007 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
Take a look around, other than SWA tell me whose Mgmnt has done a better job than ours and then prove it. You can't!
LOL!!!

Who are you dude? Jerry's love slave?
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