Do Not Work at American Eagle
#31
no its not, lets face it when you get to CAL, you will realize that it won't be nearly as grand as you would have thought. I have buddies there and yes the pay is more, and the airplanes are bigger and they go across the pond, but the pay is still relatively low and management treats their pilots like slaves..........and to the point of the age 65 mess, it actually would make more sense to be at a good regional, being as though you will be there longer.......... Whats the difference really between 3,000hrs PIC and 4,000hrs PIC, really just a 1,000................
#32
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Juice, i'm with you 100% Get your PIC and get out.
Apparently most of you are too young to remember?? not sure why....?? But CHQ had the same rep about 7 years ago (and that rep stretched until about 2 years ago) that Go Jet does now....and ps....Comair's pay on the 70 is LESS then GoJet....everyone do your research.
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Or the ones that make good amount of money that don't want to jump to a bottom of a seniority list making 34$hr the first yr. Or simply don't care to go to a major.
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Neither of the two reason's I posted...nor the two reasons you posted... would I consider to be respectable ones to remain at the regionals.
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this is in reference to the quote from Juice that you commented on .... unless you plan to make career at the regionals .... which in my opinion the only people who do are the ones who can't get on with the majors or are too lazy to try .... then Juice's statement could not be more TRUE!!! and GoJet has nothing to do with it .... guess who will be laughing when they spend 8 months with GoJet and then have the job with the Major and you're still an FO.....
Juice, i'm with you 100% Get your PIC and get out.
Apparently most of you are too young to remember?? not sure why....?? But CHQ had the same rep about 7 years ago (and that rep stretched until about 2 years ago) that Go Jet does now....and ps....Comair's pay on the 70 is LESS then GoJet....everyone do your research.
Juice, i'm with you 100% Get your PIC and get out.
Apparently most of you are too young to remember?? not sure why....?? But CHQ had the same rep about 7 years ago (and that rep stretched until about 2 years ago) that Go Jet does now....and ps....Comair's pay on the 70 is LESS then GoJet....everyone do your research.
I'm not saying upgrade time isn't something important to consider, but its a pretty shaky thing to base your decision on, and shouldn't be the sole factor in what airline you chose to work for.
Everybody's different in whats important to them in the airline they work for, and if you're willing to take a chance going for the short upgrade and nothing else, more power to you. I tend to agree with the idea that you should pick an airline based close to where you live, or want to live. For me, at least then whatever happens I'll be living someplace I want to be.
Also, as far as GoJets, whatever YOUR opinion of GoJets might be, there are plenty of folks at the majors that are going to have a pretty low opinion of GoJets and everyone that works there due to the circumstances around its creation. You might be flying with (or even interviewed by) some hard core union guys, maybe even a few that lived through a strike back in the 80's, and they might not think much of you and the airline you're coming from.
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Well said Bumm....but I do have a couple other points....
In my experiece just about all Regional airlines are "crummy"... Currently I fly for one that went from the best to one of the worst in the short 3 years I have been there. Odd enough, I turned down the one that I thought was "crummy" 3 years ago, had i taken it, I would have upgraded about 1 year ago and currently be well into my career with a major.
If a major airline is your ultimate goal, then upgrade should be a very high % of your decision.
Also, your point on unions .... because of my experieces here I have begun to take a rather dim view of them and how much they protect my job. If the guys in pilot hiring at the majors really knew about what went on within every MEC they probably would not care for most of the regional unions. I assume they just don't care to know...as I wouldn't either at that point.
The problem with this logic is that you're making the very dangerous assumption that you WILL be able to move on in 8 months. No one can really be sure whats going to happen at any given airline. Just because upgrade might be at 6 months right now doesn't mean its going to take YOU 6 months to upgrade. And usually the places with the shortest upgrade are also the crummiest places to work (the short upgrade is usually because of everyone getting out as soon as they can). If you get that quick upgrade and move on, great, but what if you don't? How are you going to feel if you have to stay at that airline longer than you thought you would?
I'm not saying upgrade time isn't something important to consider, but its a pretty shaky thing to base your decision on, and shouldn't be the sole factor in what airline you chose to work for.
Everybody's different in whats important to them in the airline they work for, and if you're willing to take a chance going for the short upgrade and nothing else, more power to you. I tend to agree with the idea that you should pick an airline based close to where you live, or want to live. For me, at least then whatever happens I'll be living someplace I want to be.
Also, as far as GoJets, whatever YOUR opinion of GoJets might be, there are plenty of folks at the majors that are going to have a pretty low opinion of GoJets and everyone that works there due to the circumstances around its creation. You might be flying with (or even interviewed by) some hard core union guys, maybe even a few that lived through a strike back in the 80's, and they might not think much of you and the airline you're coming from.
I'm not saying upgrade time isn't something important to consider, but its a pretty shaky thing to base your decision on, and shouldn't be the sole factor in what airline you chose to work for.
Everybody's different in whats important to them in the airline they work for, and if you're willing to take a chance going for the short upgrade and nothing else, more power to you. I tend to agree with the idea that you should pick an airline based close to where you live, or want to live. For me, at least then whatever happens I'll be living someplace I want to be.
Also, as far as GoJets, whatever YOUR opinion of GoJets might be, there are plenty of folks at the majors that are going to have a pretty low opinion of GoJets and everyone that works there due to the circumstances around its creation. You might be flying with (or even interviewed by) some hard core union guys, maybe even a few that lived through a strike back in the 80's, and they might not think much of you and the airline you're coming from.
If a major airline is your ultimate goal, then upgrade should be a very high % of your decision.
Also, your point on unions .... because of my experieces here I have begun to take a rather dim view of them and how much they protect my job. If the guys in pilot hiring at the majors really knew about what went on within every MEC they probably would not care for most of the regional unions. I assume they just don't care to know...as I wouldn't either at that point.
#38
this is in reference to the quote from Juice that you commented on .... unless you plan to make career at the regionals .... which in my opinion the only people who do are the ones who can't get on with the majors or are too lazy to try .... then Juice's statement could not be more TRUE!!! and GoJet has nothing to do with it .... guess who will be laughing when they spend 8 months with GoJet and then have the job with the Major and you're still an FO.....
Juice, i'm with you 100% Get your PIC and get out.
Apparently most of you are too young to remember?? not sure why....?? But CHQ had the same rep about 7 years ago (and that rep stretched until about 2 years ago) that Go Jet does now....and ps....Comair's pay on the 70 is LESS then GoJet....everyone do your research.
Juice, i'm with you 100% Get your PIC and get out.
Apparently most of you are too young to remember?? not sure why....?? But CHQ had the same rep about 7 years ago (and that rep stretched until about 2 years ago) that Go Jet does now....and ps....Comair's pay on the 70 is LESS then GoJet....everyone do your research.
The notion that a "good" regional guy should stay in the Regionals for the sole sake of making it a better place is unrealistic. Everyone knows that when the Majors come knocking for most of us we are gone. I am 100% for making it the best place we can while we are here but when my number is called I am going. To compare or equate someone wanting to move their career to the next level to the often misused GoJet "scab" is ridiculous.
Some people on this forum are just miserable people. We deal with people like this everyday in our lives, they will never be happy without having a gripe or a complaint about anything. I just laugh and shake my head and do not subscribe to every "doom and gloom" scenario out there.
Last edited by The Juice; 01-07-2008 at 10:34 AM.
#39
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Completely not true(as all generalizations are). Talk to the J4J guys at RW who have training dates back at Airways. They have seen both sides of the coin and are very torn. The grass isn't always greener.
#40
Of course I did not mean EVERYONE. Some people will stay at the Regional level for various reasons. Do not take everything so literal, it will only give you headaches.
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