I get it, your crappy regional is better than the other crappy regional. Didn't you take the time to go interview with Great Lakes? What did you tell them when asked "Why do you want to work for Great Lakes?"

Good luck finding a "better job" espcially with your DUI. Even Gulfstream turned you down!

I wouldn't call C5 significantly better than anyone....

Burned...... :eek:

But in all fairness, C5 did take super pilot/F-16 driver/fire fighter/rescue diver/SouthWest FO/ walks on water during his free time Timmmmmay "The Mark" Martins....

Obviously you don't get it. I didn't set out to say that mine is better than yours, just that I wish that all these regionals that pay crap would go out of business, and that we would find better jobs as aviators. I mean I didn't set out to offend anybody by wishing for better futures but if I did sorry.

As for your personal dig on me, you know nothing about my resume other than C5 and my DUI. When it's time to get that better job I'll be fine.

They would if guys like yourself stopped applying or accepting job offers.

You're right, paid training, 8 dollars more an hour, flying a plane certified for two is very insignificant. But that's not even what I was trying to say or debate.
Every body started wetting their panties when I said I wished a place would go out of business, and totally disregarded the second part of the "wish", which was everyone gets annother job. Christ you want to wish for a contract that still isn't going to bring you out of poverty be my guest. If I'm going to wish for something (I mean this is starting to sound like some disney crap) it's going to be a lot more.

That's just unrealistic. Even if guys like me stop there are plenty of young guys still living at home or with spouses that can and will take these jobs. So what am I supposed to quite and just sit by and watch while other people get ahead? It's capitalism. That's the whole problem with this industry, supply and demand. There's just to many people who want to fly so they can pay these crappy wages, there's an argument to be made that it's a good business practice.

Okay, so 8hr more an hr. what's that like $21? The 2 and 300 aren't gems or anything to brag about.... I'm at OO and I wouldn't come on here and say my place is significantly better than C5 although it is :D

All kidding aside. If you want to improve and get rid of "crappy regionals" as you put it... Don't apply and accept jobs from them... At this time, you sir are part of the problem not the solution.
Go fly cargo, part 135 air tours ect.... There are ways to build time rather than settle for a "crappy regional". No excuses... That's what GoJet'ers do to justify their job....

The only reason I brought it up is because of the pot and kettle statement.

I've already addressed this in my last post, if you have another solution to furthring my career, I'm all ears.

Don't drink and drive... ;)

[QUOTE=Slats;1239633] This line of posting is driving me to it:)

Again, pot meets kettle! Didn't you interview with Republic? And of course, how can we forget the whole Colgan thing.

Shirley!!!!! welcome back! I missed you.

Ah I did... Interviewed at republic as a tune up for SkyWest with absolutely no intention of taking the job. The interview was a joke and a waste of time. Colgans contract didn't put them in the realm as lower paid pilot groups but thanks for playing :)

Cargo doesn't build time as fast. I looked into it before C5 and was even offered a job flying the ATR.But at 300 hours a year, christ it take 2 years just to get 500 SIC. No excuses, but in the real world you have to play the game according to how hings are, not how they should be. Unfortunately what matters most in this industry, is hours, period.

Your probly shocked anyone would let me fly an ATR with a DUI.

from a casual observer who doesnt know you. Posting crap like this is really shabby .I dont need to know someone got a DUI and you shouldnt be posting crap like that .
Posting crap like that speaks volumes about you and these boards are far from anonymous . My 2 cents !!

Theres 4 kind's of people regarding DUI's
1- someone who never drinks or never drinks and drives
2-someone who drinks and drives and doesnt get caught
3- someone who drinks and drives and gets caught
4- someone who gossips about someone else who got a DUI

I'm nobody but I can say I'm not even going to the interview. Know your own self worth just my 2 pesos. Oh and btw grow up people. It's not a ****ing contest. Roger this is Capt. Over.

Simple economics, if you offer cheap tickets and have a large amount of pilots and planes, you can't pay very much. If you have less pilots and planes, you can charge more and make it more of a scare resource, then you can pay the pilots more. There are way too many pilots, planes, and airlines these days. It's getting better, but it has a ways to go. There's no magical "economic recovery" that is going to fix the regional problem and how out of hand it is. The only real way for things to get better is for a bunch of airlines to go out of business. Something has got to give. It won't be better for the pilots that get furloughed or fired, but the current industry is at the expense of the former classic "airline pilot".

With other regionals with better QOL hiring and Lakes raising their mins how are they attracting guys? Just curious...promise of fast upgrade?

Does anyone know what type of simulator they use during initial training?

Thanks

The use the one at AIMS community college in Greeley, CO. It is open to the public for rental. I think AIMS has a website for it.

Thanks for the info!
Do you know what type of simulator it is? Is it like a Frasca kind of thing?

I interviewed on Thursday, there were at least 3 other guys interviewing, I'm hoping to get the job offer sometime this week.

level-D full motion sim...

Thanks! :D

Both of the full motion simulators we use are level-C. One is in Greeley, CO and the other is in Centennial, CO.

Just curious but how long is training at Lakes? Also do you do IOE without pay or is it just the ground and Sim you don't get paid for?

Training is approximately 40-45 days for the Beech (give or take a few, each month is different depending on holidays and such) and the Embraer is about 50-55 days depending on the month as well.

Training is not paid, however once you take your checkride, you are paid. In other words, IOE will be paid to you.

Thanks for the info!
Those 40-45 days are business days only, or are you counting weekends too?
I've heard the checkride is in the actual airplane, not in the sim, is that accurate?

Thanks again!

Ground school is Monday - Saturday.

Sounds like crap, I don't care if the upgrade times are quick. Your time is always worth something.

Anybody forcing you to fly for GLA?
I do care about fast upgrading, I don't want to fly on the right seat for a decade.
I'd rather make a few bucks less an hour for 2 years than make a few bucks more and be stuck for a freaking decade!

UFFL is correct, Monday to Saturday is groundschool. Typically, Saturday may or may not be a full day depending on class size and how the class is covering the information. Sometimes they'll call it around 2 pm, sometimes they may need to go til 4, it depends.

The 40-45 days is total days from start to finish. Depending on class size, and which sim session you get (if you get the 2nd sim group if you're in a big class, expect an additional 5-7 days.

We are revamping the training slightly compared to how we've been doing it in the past. We are doing 8 total sim sessions, Oral, then 1st segment checkride in the sim where you cover V1 cuts, stalls, steep turns, non-precision appchs, and a few other items that are preferred to be done in the sim. Then you go to the aircraft and spend 3-4 days in the aircraft conducting ILS's (Single engine and 2 engine) and landings along with anything else that wasn't covered in the sim. The intention is to utilize the sim more because it's cheaper and use the aircraft less because it's more expensive (4 times more expensive that is). We're just starting this, so I'm sure there'll be some snags here and there. So the answer to you question, yes, you will be taking a checkride in the aircraft, which may be the full check or a partial check.

Thank you for the info, I still don't have any confirmation yet on getting a class date anyways.
I interviewed last Thursday (a week ago today) and they said you get a phone call to offer the job, or you get an email with a "thanks but no thanks". I haven't received any emails so that must be a good thing:D

No and I would not give someone two months of my life for free either, but I'm sure you will. I bet u borrowed money from family and friends to do this. All that time wasted thinking you will upgrade quick and cut the line that a thousand other regional pilots ae waiting in. Enjoy your wonderful job.

Hey bud, If you have something valuable to contribute then that would be appreciated. Cheers... and I'm giving you way too much respect with that salutation, of course you wouldn't be appreciative.

Yea quite saying "cheers"

Dude, such anger. What is it that makes you so mad about a company doing what a company does? Do you work for them? Or are you just mad cause you're watching Lakers go to places like Alaska or Hawaiian after say, 7 years and meanwhile you're still in that regional line others are in waiting for TPIC time? Everyone paves their own career path just as you have paved yours.

I don't need to borrow money from anyone, I have been successful enough to not have to worry about that now, and my economy is none of your business anyway.
Take your hate somewhere else, and stop bashing on other people's career/life decisions. Stop being a child!

I don't work for them, I didnt go the 121 route, I see what your saying.

Won't GLA be forced to raise their compensation for pilots once next August rolls around and EVERYONE will need to have 1,500 hours and an ATP?

True, but we'll need to start earlier in the year. If we hire somebody with less than ATP mins, they will need to be at ATP mins AND have their ATP by the time this August ruling takes effect. With the average flight time per month being about 45-70 hours, they'll need to meet those mins before august and run through an ATP course that the company puts together for current FO's before they are dequal'd in August.

I agree totally though, the pay will need to increase substantially (specifically for the FO's, but preferably for both CA and FO) in order to get people to come work here.