Looks like some ASA pilots will have some explaining to do...
01-12-2008 | 12:16 PM
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At the airline fly for I always make certain the Captain repeats me when we are given a hold short of taxi instruction. I also remind the Captain once again of the hold as we approach the hold short line and expect him to repeat me.
01-12-2008 | 12:20 PM
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Yes, I remember that they reported to her that they think their nose was on or close to a RWY. She told an a/c to take off and then shortly after the crew reported their heard engines go by and that they sounded really close. Then she told another a/c to take off and they refused. She berated both for not doing as they were told. I think this is the same incident you are talking about.
If anyone can find the ATC clip I would love to hear it again. They showed it in ground school at SKW.
She was unbelievable! Someone said that she is still working! God help us all!
If anyone can find the ATC clip I would love to hear it again. They showed it in ground school at SKW.
She was unbelievable! Someone said that she is still working! God help us all!
01-12-2008 | 12:34 PM
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There's a fine line between being respectfully remindful and becoming a nuisance. If he's giving you reason to then that's another thing, but every time? Just pay attention to what he's going and speak up when it's needed.
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01-12-2008 | 12:53 PM
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To comment on the idea that 150-200 hr millitary pilots are the same as civillian pilots is crazy- the US Governments instructors are the TOP Pilots out there- thats why they have been assigned to this duty-on the other hand the majority of CFI/CFII out there in the civillian world are people who just finished training themselves, and our just looking for a way to build time-The Breakdown of this whole system is not the 250 hr pilots it is the instructors who are out there with no experience themselves teaching other People- No one should be an instructor with the sole purpose being to buid time.
01-12-2008 | 12:53 PM
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01-12-2008 | 01:12 PM
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Dont think it has anything at all to do with how fast you upgrade-BUT bringing 250 hr students into the cockpit of a Jet and putting them at an airport like Atlanta on the other hand is a HUGE Problem. We will be seeing more of these types of things in the future, due to the people companys are putting in the cockpits. I do not let any of My familly and Friends Fly on airlines that have such crazy hiring mins., such as ASA, MESA etc., and you all that have any regard for your famillys safety should not either
But we should all remember that this can happen to anyone, 250, 2500, and even 25,000 hr guys. Be safe out there guys n gals.
But we should all remember that this can happen to anyone, 250, 2500, and even 25,000 hr guys. Be safe out there guys n gals.
01-12-2008 | 01:13 PM
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As for what’s wrong with instructors, it actually what’s wrong with the world. Some are better than others and very few are the best. This same scenario plays out in every profession.
01-12-2008 | 01:13 PM
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Repeating taxi instructions is SOP at CX, it is a smart thing to do. However, taxiing the airplane is not solely a Captain thing here either. Whoever is doing the leg is who taxis so it is just good airmanship to make sure everyone is on board with the taxi instructions.
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