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Old 01-13-2008 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by de727ups
What if you're abeam the airport on a downwind vector. Does it make any sense fly away from the airport as 250K?

LOL, I was just going to post the exact same question.

I have always begun slowing at this point if no speed has been assigned.
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Old 01-13-2008 | 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by de727ups
What if you're abeam the airport on a downwind vector. Does it make any sense fly away from the airport as 250K?
I think that answer's a little obvious. Usually I ask how long final is or use TCAS decipher that information, then make my speed adjustment as necessary or as instructed. But I never like to go fast in the wrong direction, whether I'm arriving or departing.
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Old 01-14-2008 | 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
I think that answer's a little obvious. Usually I ask how long final is or use TCAS decipher that information, then make my speed adjustment as necessary or as instructed. But I never like to go fast in the wrong direction, whether I'm arriving or departing.
I was going to post the same thing. I had a senior capt. show me that little trick in CVG. Approach, what does our final look like today? If they say number 1 and you're at 250kias and 8K, the controllers know what you're about to do.
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Old 01-14-2008 | 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
YES but I let them know first and if they tell me to keep my speed up I reply "then keep us in Bravo!" And I start to slow.

Controllers are not able to change the regs, they are restricted to them just as we are and if you get busted for breaking the regs, saying "they told me too" won't help you.
The caveat to this is for the 250 under 10k, and the 200 within 2500' / 4nm of a "C" or "D", where the reg states that "unless otherwise authorized by the administrator or ATC." The controller can keep you above these speeds if they need. This caveat does not exist for the area under "B" or VFR corridors though, so if you are above 200 then you may have some explaining to do if asked. (ref. 91.117)
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Old 01-14-2008 | 06:01 AM
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In reguards to the down wind question. I know that in class D and C with in 4 miles of the field the speed limit is 200 kts. Is this true for B also? I kinda follow the same mindset of 250 until you have to slow (by request or reg)
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Old 01-14-2008 | 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by de727ups
What if you're abeam the airport on a downwind vector. Does it make any sense fly away from the airport as 250K?
Maybe. If you need to get downrange to get outside the marker for an approach, it might make sense to go fast. I usually slow up abeam the field, but not always.
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Old 01-14-2008 | 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Moose Surgeon
In reguards to the down wind question. I know that in class D and C with in 4 miles of the field the speed limit is 200 kts. Is this true for B also? I kinda follow the same mindset of 250 until you have to slow (by request or reg)
Not for the class B airport. This applies to class C, D, and an operating control tower in other airspace (temporary tower).
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Old 01-14-2008 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by SharkAir
So let's say you're going to Dallas, and the controller says she's going to vector you outside of Class B for a few seconds, and there will also be a shelf of Class B above you. Do you slow to 200?
Maybe I'm old school but I don't ever recall ATC informing anyone that they were going to vector them outside of the "Bravo". The FAA notice of investigation is usually your first indication that you were under the Bravo and not IN the Bravo.

Keep your situational awareness by using your charts. If you have FMS and Glass - you might also build some rings around the airport on your multi-function display. This will help keep you more aware of where the surface ring and the next ring are located.

RED FLAG - Long finals with low altitude.
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Old 01-14-2008 | 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by bustinmins
Maybe I'm old school but I don't ever recall ATC informing anyone that they were going to vector them outside of the "Bravo". The FAA notice of investigation is usually your first indication that you were under the Bravo and not IN the Bravo.

Keep your situational awareness by using your charts. If you have FMS and Glass - you might also build some rings around the airport on your multi-function display. This will help keep you more aware of where the surface ring and the next ring are located.

RED FLAG - Long finals with low altitude.
I've heard them say it before. More often, however, it will be on the ATIS.
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Old 01-14-2008 | 08:04 AM
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IAH does this without a word. I've had it happen numerous times. We always slowed to 200.
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