Class B- when do YOU slow down?
01-13-2008, 06:10 PM
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As the other guys said-since there is no mins-As long as you are at a speed to get configured in time without being rushed to do so really doesnt matter-Like everything else its technique-Alot of company's have this written into there SOP's.
01-13-2008, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by SharkAir
So let's say you're going to Dallas, and the controller says she's going to vector you outside of Class B for a few seconds, and there will also be a shelf of Class B above you. Do you slow to 200?
YES but I let them know first and if they tell me to keep my speed up I reply "then keep us in Bravo!" And I start to slow.
Controllers are not able to change the regs, they are restricted to them just as we are and if you get busted for breaking the regs, saying "they told me too" won't help you.
01-13-2008, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by SharkAir
So let's say you're going to Dallas, and the controller says she's going to vector you outside of Class B for a few seconds, and there will also be a shelf of Class B above you. Do you slow to 200?
01-13-2008, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by SharkAir
So let's say you're going to Dallas, and the controller says she's going to vector you outside of Class B for a few seconds, and there will also be a shelf of Class B above you. Do you slow to 200?
Oohhh, touché. I've never thought of that before. Happens a lot when LGA is landing 22. Granted, you'll obviously be slowed down by N90, but that's still a good head scratcher.
01-13-2008, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by cessna157
Oohhh, touché. I've never thought of that before. Happens a lot when LGA is landing 22. Granted, you'll obviously be slowed down by N90, but that's still a good head scratcher.
Besides, there's a reason why the advise you that you're about to go outside or below class B. Well, at least 9 times out of 10 they give you a heads up.
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01-13-2008, 06:42 PM
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let me expound on where I was going with this....
I am not debating the speed above 10K or below 10K. We know the MAX, but the issue I brought up is that I was told by a very senior MEM controller (not while working) that they (being ATC) expect us to be at 250 below 10K unless otherwise assigned. Now being that I am based in MEM I have become accustomed to being told speeds- such as "decend to 6K, slow to 190", but often if you come in either early or late and are not given a speed. As I am understanding this situation- unless otherwise given a speed you are expected to be at 250kts. Obviously once cleared or vectored for an approach judgement comes in and we (being pilots) will slow to bring in flaps/gear.
So I guess this is the bigger question.. If you are slowing on your own should or do you need to let ATC know..? I know this is splitting hairs but the reason the convo came up was that evidently they are having more and more issues with people slowing on their own (at 8k feet!) causing spacing issues.
I am not debating the speed above 10K or below 10K. We know the MAX, but the issue I brought up is that I was told by a very senior MEM controller (not while working) that they (being ATC) expect us to be at 250 below 10K unless otherwise assigned. Now being that I am based in MEM I have become accustomed to being told speeds- such as "decend to 6K, slow to 190", but often if you come in either early or late and are not given a speed. As I am understanding this situation- unless otherwise given a speed you are expected to be at 250kts. Obviously once cleared or vectored for an approach judgement comes in and we (being pilots) will slow to bring in flaps/gear.
So I guess this is the bigger question.. If you are slowing on your own should or do you need to let ATC know..? I know this is splitting hairs but the reason the convo came up was that evidently they are having more and more issues with people slowing on their own (at 8k feet!) causing spacing issues.
01-13-2008, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by higney85
let me expound on where I was going with this....
I am not debating the speed above 10K or below 10K. We know the MAX, but the issue I brought up is that I was told by a very senior MEM controller (not while working) that they (being ATC) expect us to be at 250 below 10K unless otherwise assigned. Now being that I am based in MEM I have become accustomed to being told speeds- such as "decend to 6K, slow to 190", but often if you come in either early or late and are not given a speed. As I am understanding this situation- unless otherwise given a speed you are expected to be at 250kts. Obviously once cleared or vectored for an approach judgement comes in and we (being pilots) will slow to bring in flaps/gear.
So I guess this is the bigger question.. If you are slowing on your own should or do you need to let ATC know..? I know this is splitting hairs but the reason the convo came up was that evidently they are having more and more issues with people slowing on their own (at 8k feet!) causing spacing issues.
I am not debating the speed above 10K or below 10K. We know the MAX, but the issue I brought up is that I was told by a very senior MEM controller (not while working) that they (being ATC) expect us to be at 250 below 10K unless otherwise assigned. Now being that I am based in MEM I have become accustomed to being told speeds- such as "decend to 6K, slow to 190", but often if you come in either early or late and are not given a speed. As I am understanding this situation- unless otherwise given a speed you are expected to be at 250kts. Obviously once cleared or vectored for an approach judgement comes in and we (being pilots) will slow to bring in flaps/gear.
So I guess this is the bigger question.. If you are slowing on your own should or do you need to let ATC know..? I know this is splitting hairs but the reason the convo came up was that evidently they are having more and more issues with people slowing on their own (at 8k feet!) causing spacing issues.
In ATL they won't waste time and will bark at you the minute your speed drops off. I had a CA who continually wanted to slow but ATC was quick to jump! He was trying to milk the clock.
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