Obviously you don't, because you go on to say:

With the way we rack up credit at Skywest, I'm not making that much less than I was as a 1st year FO at Horizon. No joke. Pay raise or not, I'll definitely have a better income my 2nd year. By a good margin.

Nonetheless, the proposal (aside from the 1st year pay increase) stinks, and indeed falls well short of what I was hoping for.

Absolutely! I racked up 143:22 a couple months back...and all that at straight-pay - no OT! Try doing that anywhere else :D

3/10 people giving reasons why we should be jealous we dont work for SKW.... ?

Just stating a fact, bro. Even I am not content with the proposal, as I stated.

Negative. Call it 2/10 if you want. I was by no means trying to convince you that "my regional is better than yours." Just give you a little info.

I'm quite certain you're much better off where you're at now. Where is that, by the way?

The super-senior guys gave themselves a fat raise, and the company went along cheerfully because it's WAY cheaper to give a tiny handful of pilots a big raise than it is to give EVERYBODY a moderate raise.

But don't kid yourself, this phenomenon occurs at EVERY regional pilot group, union or not (I have seen this exact scenario played out at my last ALP{A carrier). It probably occurs at the majors too.

The only antidote for this situation is for a huge number of junior pilots to make a lot of noise about the situation and try to get the proposal revised before it goes to vote. I doubt that will happen in this case. Since SKW is not union, voting No will not accomplish much...the company will just go away nad come back to talk in 2-3 years.

Dude quit scaring me...you sound like Mgmt...wait, or worse the FAA!

Is this a joke? If you're flying over guarantee it should be OT, i.e time-and-a-half.

If I missed the sarcasm I apologize.

In the mean time, you guys got what was coming. I have an entire crew of friends still at SKW and they all voted for ALPA, not because it was ALPA, but because it was a UNION that would allow them to COLLECTIVELY BARGAIN.

Sorry to say but you guys have really lost touch.

If you're going to come in there with that kind of attitude then beat it!

We know what we have and we don't need asses like you throughing around such harse language.

I'll see the rest of you on the flip, I need to take my DC-9.....errrrrrr CR9.........to MKE and then COS.

Please name a single Regional that pays OT for anything over guarantee...it would probably be a very, very short list! And further, do you know why it wasn't OT?? Because it was flying picked up from another crewmember, not open-time.

Why did you guys/gals take the "link" down to the .pdf file, that showed the actual rates?

We're not flying 143 hours we're just getting paid that and flying 85-90. I average 125-135 and most of it is at 150% pay while only flying around 85 hours per month. This month I blocked 78 hours with a credit of 127, 15 days off and 18 hours was wat 150% pay.

Not bad when you learn to work the system.

What are you talking about. It's still attached to my posting.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sh...t=21108&page=3

This is the case at multiple regional airlines pal, not just yours.

The system just worked you dude.

I'm pretty bummed. Thought first year would be at least 23, if not 24. I can't believe we actually lost ground in certain areas!!! I'm definitely voting No. If SAPA had any testicular fortitude they would organize some kind of way for us to show our discontent (like picketing at an ALPA airline).

Personally I think we should organize something ourselves. Anybody for wearing red ties?

Well said.

I believe someone did try to organize you and you voted no. I'm wishing you guys the best but if that doesn't happen then a lot of people are going to be saying "I told ya so".

Just curious how you manage to pick up that much time. I understand you can get additional flying from other members but crediting as much as you guys say you are seems a little hard to swallow. I am envious of you on that part. However not on the rest :D What are you getting credited so much for that you aren't flying?

"Dood, we dont need to organize. Our management doesn't lie to us. They acutally care."

- Some random SkyWest pilot

At your 200 rates.

Enjoy the "ride".

LOL!

I was outside yesterday throughing the football around.

::snore::snore::

Tired of hearing you, meritflyer...you're singing the same old song, you've just got beef with SkyWest. Come clean now, why are you so bitter? Would we not hire you?

Incredibly immature and unprofessional. I can't take this guy seriously, let alone heed anything he has to say about the company I work for.

Merit, for the sake of anybody who has to put up with you for 3 days at a time, I hope you're more tolerable in person than here.

It's easy with well paying locals/stand-ups. For example, you can pick up several locals (each blocking less than 2 hrs, but crediting min daily at 3:45), a stand-up that blocks 3 hrs and pays over 7, trips with dead-heads, or dropping a lousy 4-day for a very well paying 3-day, etc...It's very attainable, you just have to be very proactive about it...!

Yeah, I suppose plenty of people could come on here and say "I told you so," but who would be so childish as to actually do it?

Whatever.

Qol
 

Oh - how nice.

Notice at the end of the message that there are a number of QOL improvements in the works, but these will not be a part of this vote.

Is it somehow implied that a NO vote will somehow affect the outcome of these supposed QOL tweaks? If it's got nothing to do with this vote, then why even put it in the message??

:confused:

I will vote yes and i encourage everyone else at skywest to do the same. I don't think we would have gotten something much different had we voted in alpa, plus alpa takes their 2% cut too.

God, this is pathetic.

You know, one could make the argument that the continued nature of your SkyWest posts is pathetic, too.

You know, one could make the argument that the continued bashing of EVERY other regional by SKW pilots is pretty pathetic.

People on both sides of the aisle need to realize that what's right for somebody isn't right for everybody, but unfortunately, there's a whole lot of bashing of every other airline out there by the SKW pilots. Why talk about how you "pity" people who haven't had the epiphany to leave their crappy jobs and come to the golden haven that SKW is. The "best" regionals change over night, and some of you guys need to start realizing that talking about QOL differences between different regionals is seen as pretty trivial by those who work at the majors. It's a regional. If you want to stay, great, go to the one that has the best rules, QOL, and pay. If you don't want to stay there, quit talking about the "night and day" difference between the "good" and the "bad" regionals and talking down to the people who didn't come to the same epiphany that you did.

Skywest pilots please wake up and realize now that your management does not care about you.

Ill say it again. Your management does not care about you.

Skywest pilots: Your management does not care about you.


Ok with that being said, skywest pilots, please stop defending your management, which oh by the way does not care about you!

Dude, Jerry cares. Seriously, stop flaming.

No flame. just fact. just had to use repetition cuz theres a lot of poor brainwashed souls out there

Proud AND brainwashed, then, here...

LOL. The only way to know who's really brainwashed is who's proud of their regional enough to stay.

This would not necessarily happen at an ALPA carrier. The MEC charges the negotiating committee with the top priorities to improve in negotiations, whats off the table, what would be icing on the cake, etc. The negotiating committee takes their marching orders into to the table with management. Once they have something, they take it back to the MEC for the MEC to decide whether to send the negotiating committee back to the table or to accept the TA. The MEC decides what and when a TA goes to pilot ratification. None of this happens in a vacuum since the MEC is composed of democratically elected pilots who have the ear of the line pilots telling them what they want from the TA.

Maybe, maybe not. You will never know how much you could have gotten when you have real bargaining power with the leverage of the possibility of self help given to union pilots by the RLA. This is the only way to have real good faith bargaining. Without it, you will never realize the wage you could have gotten.

By the way, its 1.95% for non probationary pilots. And it gets you a whole lot more than just a contract. And its tax deductible. And I can keep going.

Do they actually think this thing is going to pass or are there a whole lot more koolaid drinkers there than I thought? Hopefully the skywest pilot group doesn't swallow that crap sandwich.

Yeah your management may be good to you but they still are holding you way back. Not to mention us at XJT have sick pay and QOL, and we can't go any where up since everyone is below us in terms of work rules and pay. So yeah this agreement you have with management does hold us back.
They only give you pay similar to us since that is what we have, yet we had to fight for it and have to pay our dues. Your welcome by the way.

And you guys are pretty much tool boxes for the stated above. You guys are finally starting to see how the game is played, and truly good luck to you, say hi to Jerry for me

Ugh, this whole thing is ridiculous. You guys vote down ALPA, and now you're up in arms about a crappy pay increase. I hate to say it, but you guys made your own beds on this one. SKW management has absolutely no requirement to bargain with the pilot group if you all choose to vote down their offer. The SKW pilot group is simply hoping that management will find it in their hearts to negotiate, but I'm afraid hope just isn't enough. Remember, what you all do has an effect on all of us. We all want you guys to get a huge boost in pay and QOL. We really do. If that were to happen, we'd all be able to push just a bit harder at our own airlines to do the same.

Honestly, SKW is on the verge of losing a lot of respectability, especially after the ALPA no-vote. C'mon guys, step up to the plate on this one...whatever it takes.