Proposed SkyWest Pay released
 

For those of you that have read the email and looked at the proposed pay increase... What do you think?

I think it's a little insulting, but that's just me.

I agree with you. I'm insulted too. My first thought is a no vote.

Looks like the bro guys got screwed again, even the rj rates still don't set any standards, just bring us up to others, almost. Looks like a no vote.

Why do I feel crapped on?? My knee-jerk reaction was HELL no. Now I'm just saying no way...'aint got my vote.

So you guys voted for or against ALPA?

Anybody care to offer details?

Yeah, so much for "I scratch yours, you scratch mine..."

I think I'm PO'd enough right now to vote in ALPA, if I had the chance, just out of spite. I'll get over it, but whiskey tango foxtrot.

Just remember last time we voted down a proposed pay package. It was 18% roughly. They came back with the Brad Holt Overide and ZERO for our Bro brothers.

We do not have a contract, we do not have legal representation. Therefore we have NO bargaining power. We get what they offer bottom line.

Really the only increase in pay was for first-year, up to $22...but we lose the 700/900 override first year, as well as the increase every year thereafter. COLA of 1% starting next year. Captain's pay doesn't change until year three, and even then it looks like they get the shaft for a few years. 20 year CA rate is up $10. PLUS they included an EMB-170/175 rate???

Yeah, I'd say that pretty much sucks.

I honestly thought they'd at least match or go ASA +1%...

It's the principle...this is a slap in the face. I'd rather have gotten no proposed pay rate. :mad:

Yeah what's up with the EMB 170/175 rates?

I agree a slap....

I'm hoping a no vote will send a message.
I'm hoping the EMB175, which is mentioned in the new pay, will be on property when the new pay rates go into effect. I hope the SAPA guys stand up for us. While I'm at it I'll hope that my new girlfriend is that hot one the Transformers movie. Oh, and I hope she brings that car with her too. I feel hopeful today.

Comparing them to ASA's hourly rates they're basically the same within + or - $.50. Bro pilots got 1.8% + 1% cola, per diem up to $1.65 and the average increase for RJ pilots is about 2.5%-3% with 1% cola and a loss in BHO cola.

I hate to say it but if we vote NO Mgmnt will just leave us with our current pay package and they'll increase first year to $22. That's what happens when you have no legal representation.

I'm voting NO on principle alone but I'm VERY VERY sure it will pass by about 65%+.

yeah just heard from a couple of my buddies.. needless to say they are not impressed.. well sapa once again has done exactly what it was supposed to do. blow a lot of smoke, get alpa voted down with promises of a big increase, and to once again crap on everyones good will. sorry koolaid man, i guess they lied to you..

what say ye tony?

Ya, it's nice! Voted down ALPA and now we get basically the same pay as ASA who did all the leg work. Talk about riding coat tales.

It's about what I expected. At least they limited it to specified aircraft types.

Good news for SKW applicants, they will be able to afford REAL Ramen packs (as opposed to the generic ones).

my friends voted for alpa (and 2 of them were at alpa carriers before). now they are worried it might get voted down and then the company will just put into place what they want.

it is really what you expected???

Yes, I agree.

Yes it is what I expected but I had hope for more. They are basically ASA rates.

Would any Skywest pilot mind taking a few minutes out of their life and please post the proposed pay scales?

Thank you.

SKW Pay Proposal Rates
 

I'll take flak but this is a discussion board. Here are the rates that were emailed to us.

Even if we vote it down, Mgmt will still go ahead and raise first-year pay. They need the new-hires...

Thanks jetjock.

Take a look at the ASA rates
http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airli...l-lcc/asa.html

They are almost identical. The only exception is first year pay is $22 at Skywest and $23 at ASA. Pay on the 700/900 is $1 an hour less at Skywest for years 10-18. Also, 2nd year FO is $1 an hour less at Skywest on the CRJ-700/900. Also, the 1% COLA is VERY weak. What is ASA getting in 2009 and 2010?

I would sent it back. Ask for $23 (or more) first year pay, and higher than ASA rates of the CRJ-700 since Skywest also flies the 900. COLA of 3%. I would worry less about the max captain rates because only 20 year lifers get that rate, while almost everyone goes through years 1-5. Worry about those years.

When can Skywest vote in ALPA?
I still will not bash Skywest for voting against ALPA (since they are still a good operation), but it may come out being your best choice in the long run.

wow.... that is bad guys..

http://airlinepilotcentral.com/image...Y_PINNACLE.GIF


our contract will be 8 years old in 2 months. in 2010 your 50 seat rj captains will average only $4.00 more per a hour than our captains that are using a 8 year old contract... that is crazy! by then our contract would be 10 years old!!! 4 dollars for 10 years??? wow... and pinnacle is supposedly a bottom feeder..

and by looking at the payscales i would venture to guess that the guys in sapa that put this out have been there 20 years and decided to give themselves a nice little 7 percent rais while almost everyone else gets 2 percent.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

You get what your union dues pay for!

Yes. What did you not understand about my statement? It was a very simple sentance.

Really? :confused:

Ask MAG pilots about that one.

Keep in mind that Skywest has a BHO, so sim training, recurrent training, vacation accrual is all based on their 200 rates. Also, if they were to ever get a Embraer Jet, they will go to the sim and be paid crj 200 rates.

Somewhat correct but you forgot a few things; we also don't get paid the override for reserve, deadhead and cancellations. But it allows all pilots to fly the CR2/7 & 9 which greatly improves lines. Just ask those at ASA how crappy their CR7 lines can be.

This is a bit misleading...

An 8 year old contract is a PRE 9/11 CONTRACT! You cannot realistically compare pre and post 9/11 contracts...the game is played on a different field now.

You are implying that your NEXT contract will be leaps and bounds better than your current one...

When do you expect to have a new contract? What numbers do you REALISTICALLY expect to get on the new one?

*sarcasticly* well mister smarty pants (see how i had to spell that out because you cant tell how someone is saying something on the internet), when you said it i was trying to figure out if you said it like this

*agreeably* yeah thats about what i was expecting

*sarcasticly* yeah thats about what i was expecting

*depressed* yeah thats about what i was expecting

*angry* yeah thats about what i was expecting..

see where i am going with this.. of course you do your a smart guy.. :)

OK guys, back on topic.

I'm voting NO but I'm sad that the only unity we have here at SKW is to vote:

1. NO for representation
2. YES for any BS pay proposal Mgmnt dishes out

SAD, but it will pass by 65+%.

Game might be played on a different field, but 8 years is 8 years and their company isn't shrinking, its growing. Like wildfire.

I hope and believe that if 9E management doesn't offer a TA that is "leaps and bounds" better than their current one the pilot group will strike to achieve that end.

For comparison's sake, the 50 seat rates in the ASA Contract 07 (which has rates higher than this Skywest proposal) are *lower* than the rates in AWAC's concessionary 2003 agreement.

Inflation was 6.3% in 2007...

easy, we are going for expressjet rates plus 3%.. when will we get it?? probably when we have to strike. thats what our mec has told us and proposed to the company.. and are you really blaming your poor increase on 9/11 .. using 9/11 as a reason why your pay is just barely above ours is a terrible excuse,, especially 6 years later... you sound just like management telling us that times are tough and 9/11 and yadda yadda yadda... yet they post huge profits every quarter.. infact pinnacle is the most profitable company for investors amongst all the regionals.

I posted about a month ago that I was told all the company will give is 1% less than ASA. The reason I was given is that any new flying that SkyWest Inc. gets only SkyWest Airlines will fly, being that our costs are lower than ASA. I talked to a buddy of mine who was in SLC doing his PC today. The word he got was that the Southwest deal IS a done deal, Southwest is waiting to see exactly what our costs and oil prices are going to be before its signed.

Giving Tony the benefit of the doubt.... he is awful quiet on this subject... as is Koolaide man......

I'm sure their flying.

As for the Kool-Aid Mgmnt's trying to sale to us, taste a little like Lemon-Aid.