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Originally Posted by SharkAir
(Post 300717)
I wonder if I'd get in trouble if I siphoned out some jet fuel to run in my truck...
If it's a diesel, should work great. |
Originally Posted by TonyWilliams
(Post 300691)
First, for all the "union is the answer" folks.... if we had a "union contract", we wouldn't even be having this thread, 'cuz there wouldn't be an amended pay raise...
Will I vote for it? Yes. It's not an emotional decision for me. It is more money, and for the majority, it's thousands of dollars more. And the company didn't have to offer it... You guys argue unions, SAPA / SKW screwed ya, etc. I'm going to bed. Also, you are right. The company didn't have to offer it. But you have no recourse without a contract and the provisions of the RLA that go with it. You have no leverage, no ability to self help and therefore no means to real good faith bargaining. Best case scenario, vote for union representation next time around.:D Good night and don't let the bed bugs bite! |
Originally Posted by KingAirPIC
(Post 300567)
I'm hoping a no vote will send a message.
I'm hoping the EMB175, which is mentioned in the new pay, will be on property when the new pay rates go into effect. I hope the SAPA guys stand up for us. While I'm at it I'll hope that my new girlfriend is that hot one the Transformers movie. Oh, and I hope she brings that car with her too. I feel hopeful today. |
You don't want a contract that only matches current standards. Your contract needs to be able to at least match inflation over the next years. No reason to vote for something that will only bring you to current standards while the rest go for the future. It's like the company is asking you to "live in the now" for the next several years. Look ahead. Vote ahead.
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Originally Posted by Seatownflyer
(Post 300720)
You misunderstand my friend. 84% torque i.e. max allowable in cruise. :p I'm feeling betrayed so I'll burn a bit more of Uncle Jerry's petrol. Of course it doesn't help the situation. Why should I care? They don't.
Anyway, back to my original question. What happened with the SAPA talks? Tony said, "... we actually LOST ground recently in relation to what I thought we had agreed to." It sounds like there was an agreement and then management just changed there minds afterwards regardless of the agreement. Am I reading this incorrectly? I know an agreement without a union is basically worthless but this still sounds a little back handed. |
Originally Posted by KingAirPIC
(Post 300763)
Ahh, I assumed that you were happy and instead of slowing down for more $$ you were keeping the speed up because now you don't need the cash. Got it.
Anyway, back to my original question. What happened with the SAPA talks? Tony said, "... we actually LOST ground recently in relation to what I thought we had agreed to." It sounds like there was an agreement and then management just changed there minds afterwards regardless of the agreement. Am I reading this incorrectly? I know an agreement without a union is basically worthless but this still sounds a little back handed. |
Originally Posted by flybywire44
(Post 300530)
So you guys voted for or against ALPA?
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Originally Posted by TonyWilliams
(Post 300736)
If it's a diesel, should work great.
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Originally Posted by flyingkangaroo
(Post 300729)
Man i swear we had this conversation 2 or 3 times back in november. Like Skywest would not give up anything better then matching what ASA has been given. Skywest wants animosity between the groups and they will give you guys just enough to sway the nonunion vote. I still swear that if both groups were union we would all be sitting in a much better place right now! We would have been the largest regional pilot group in the country and would have been able to negotiate a great contract. I just don't understand how skywest pilots don't see this, I hope that if it ever comes to vote again people will take a better look at it. ASA pilots respect Skywest pilots and we would much rather be working with you then pitted against you.
I think we, all of us, had this exact conversation 2-3 months ago. That was then and this is now, so let’s leave it in the past. Best of luck in the future and we’ll see how this all played out in 5 years. |
Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
(Post 300544)
Really the only increase in pay was for first-year, up to $22...but we lose the 700/900 override first year, as well as the increase every year thereafter. COLA of 1% starting next year. Captain's pay doesn't change until year three, and even then it looks like they get the shaft for a few years. 20 year CA rate is up $10. PLUS they included an EMB-170/175 rate???
WAHOO you guys get $22 NOW for new hires......really setting standards Skywest.... man I am so jealous I dont work there. now like 10 skw people post why I Should be jealous I dont work there |
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