You would think so, being that Mgmt is so bent on giving us rates for the Jungle-Bus, and lousy ones at that...but my understanding was that the flying would be at-risk. Why would WN care then?

I didn't know that that rumor as still around. It's been quite a while. But if it is true, more power to whomever. I'm all confused at this point.

So if its voted down, we do what? We have nothing to leverage. They can do whatever the hell they want.

Yep...they'll do what they like regardless! But we can still be comfortable, I think, because whatever they do, it won't be a paycut...That's the important thing. I'm just incredibly disappointed in Jerry and SAPA at the moment. But, I still wouldn't want to be anywhere else.

We'll get a new pay proposal in about 3-6 months that has the same bottom line affect after they message the numbers up and down, here and there until it passes. That's exactly what they did last time.

Yes, I'm very disappointed as well but I strongly feel there isn't a better regional out there, that's just my opinion.

I'm not making excuses, but 9/11 did change things. I'm all for ANY pilot group making big gains, but I'm not sure what's going to be feasible.

I did not say I was happy with the SKW package, only that it was what I expected under the circumstances (no union).

i don't think the jungle bus things mean much, maybe they do. skywest in 2003 had pay rates for planes up to 159 seats,, and that never even came close...

Jerry and gang are just dotting some "i"'s and crossing some "t"'s. Who knows if the SWA rumor has any merit, I doubt it.

You won't see me holding my breath.

Well, I saw my name brought up a few times, but I just got in from MKE. That document that was posted is the one I physically compiled last night with our negotiated data.

For me, I'm disappointed, as we actually LOST ground recently in relation to what I thought we had agreed to. Delaying the vote further (from an initial Jan 1 goal) was not an option. I did vote to send this to the pilots.

First, for all the "union is the answer" folks.... if we had a "union contract", we wouldn't even be having this thread, 'cuz there wouldn't be an amended pay raise.

And for the folk(s) claiming that 20 year SAPA reps are just greasing their palms with the top end pay scale; I'm still on first year pay for a few more weeks, and the 2nd year increase is 000000.32%. Every time I jump into a 700 or 900 for the next few weeks will be at a STRAIGHT 200 rate.

Will I vote for it? Yes. It's not an emotional decision for me. It is more money, and for the majority, it's thousands of dollars more. And the company didn't have to offer it.

Is it what I thought it would be? No. It's bizarre that in a tiny number of situations, there is actually a small pay REDUCTION. And it doesn't meet or exceed ASA across the board, which I felt was an important mental barrier.

You guys argue unions, SAPA / SKW screwed ya, etc. I'm going to bed.