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SharkAir 01-15-2008 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 300654)
But we can still be comfortable, I think, because whatever they do, it won't be a paycut...

Unless of course you factor in inflation, in which case you're losing about 2% of your spending power every year.

Or if you're a first year guy flying the 7/9. Or any number of other odd circrumstances.

TonyWilliams 01-15-2008 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by SharkAir (Post 300693)
Unless of course you factor in inflation, in which case you're losing about 2% of your spending power every year.

Or if you're a first year guy flying the 7/9. Or any number of other odd circrumstances.


The COLA doesn't match today's inflation, and I suspect tomorrow's inflation. But, we currently have ZERO COLA through Dec 2010.

Also, to another post, the 170/175 jungle jet happens to match the seat count (give or take) the CRJ-700/900. Since we currently have a 51-99 seat rate, naming those planes precludes an E190/195 from showing up to be flown at the same rate. That's why we named it.

Had we just said 90 (or 88) seats or less, we could still fly a B717. Not that I would having think that would happen, but ya gotta cover your bases :o

SharkAir 01-15-2008 08:01 PM

Help me TonyWilliams, you're my only hope.

KingAirPIC 01-15-2008 08:10 PM


Originally Posted by TonyWilliams (Post 300691)
For me, I'm disappointed, as we actually LOST ground recently in relation to what I thought we had agreed to.

That's interesting. What happened there?

Seatownflyer 01-15-2008 08:23 PM

I guess I'll start using 84% in cruise more often now.

Bond 01-15-2008 08:29 PM


Originally Posted by TonyWilliams (Post 300691)
Every time I jump into a 700 or 900 for the next few weeks will be at a STRAIGHT 200 rate.

Will I vote for it? Yes. It's not an emotional decision for me. It is more money, and for the majority, it's thousands of dollars more. And the company didn't have to offer it.

Is it what I thought it would be? No. It's bizarre that in a tiny number of situations, there is actually a small pay REDUCTION. And it doesn't meet or exceed ASA across the board, which I felt was an important mental barrier.

You guys argue unions, SAPA / SKW screwed ya, etc. I'm going to bed.

I'm sorry, I'm a bit lost here...you're going to vote YES to fly a DC9 aircraft for 50 seat pay? Explain to me again how this is the right thing to do for you, for your fellow brothers and sisters flying at SKW, and for the industry as a whole?

KingAirPIC 01-15-2008 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by Seatownflyer (Post 300713)
I guess I'll start using 84% in cruise more often now.

Yea, I'm feeling so generous I might be convinced to chip in on gas once in a while. Maybe one fill up a trip, nothing crazy.

SharkAir 01-15-2008 08:32 PM

I wonder if I'd get in trouble if I siphoned out some jet fuel to run in my truck...

Seatownflyer 01-15-2008 08:35 PM


Originally Posted by KingAirPIC (Post 300716)
Yea, I'm feeling so generous I might be convinced to chip in on gas once in a while. Maybe one fill up a trip, nothing crazy.

You misunderstand my friend. 84% torque i.e. max allowable in cruise. :p I'm feeling betrayed so I'll burn a bit more of Uncle Jerry's petrol. Of course it doesn't help the situation. Why should I care? They don't.

flyingkangaroo 01-15-2008 08:44 PM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 300636)
OK guys, back on topic.

I'm voting NO but I'm sad that the only unity we have here at SKW is to vote:

1. NO for representation
2. YES for any BS pay proposal Mgmnt dishes out

SAD, but it will pass by 65+%.



Man i swear we had this conversation 2 or 3 times back in november. Like Skywest would not give up anything better then matching what ASA has been given. Skywest wants animosity between the groups and they will give you guys just enough to sway the nonunion vote. I still swear that if both groups were union we would all be sitting in a much better place right now! We would have been the largest regional pilot group in the country and would have been able to negotiate a great contract. I just don't understand how skywest pilots don't see this, I hope that if it ever comes to vote again people will take a better look at it. ASA pilots respect Skywest pilots and we would much rather be working with you then pitted against you.


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