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Old 01-17-2008 | 03:45 AM
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Really, dude - take a chill-pill. It's the way of the world, so get used to it. It may not be a perfect system, but it works to some degree. We wouldn't be contractors otherwise - you should know that.

And for your first thought up there - how does that make any sense?? This is a 70+ seat world. If nobody wants even 50 seaters anymore due to cost, why on earth would Midwest want 32 seaters?! MEH has been wanting 50 seaters for some time now. For reasons unbeknownst to me, Skyway failed to get any on property. I hate to say it but this was the next logical step.
It's the way of the world. You're right... and do you do anything to change that? No, you have SAPA/Jerry and they want to pay you less for the 70+ seat world! You ***** yourself out to Skywest down to 4 days off a month just to credit over 100 hours. Is that the way you want the airline pilot profession to be? We're all just a bunch of underbidding contractors? Sure I understand capitalism, but this is getting out of hand and you know it. Is this the way you want to struggle to pay off your college loans from dwc? Stop the apathy stop setting for less. That attititude is not helping.


The next logical step would be for SkyWest pilots to step it up. If you are going to keep getting flying here and there, perhaps you could establish some pay rates so that you [and everyone else] can get by without having 4 days off a month. Then maybe you-can relax-and take a chill-pill. LoL
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Old 01-17-2008 | 03:47 AM
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...and, ExperimentalAB do you think the 70+ seat world should be at mainline?

I sure hope so. Stop defending flying the CRJ 700 and 900 for $19 an hour.
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Old 01-17-2008 | 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by nwa757
...and, ExperimentalAB do you think the 70+ seat world should be at mainline?

I sure hope so. Stop defending flying the CRJ 700 and 900 for $19 an hour.
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Old 01-17-2008 | 07:26 AM
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great post nwa 757

i am so sick of people defending the regional world. from someone who is still at it, this isnt what i got into commercial aviation for. not for $25/hr at a crappy regional. there are so many things wrong with this industry, and the attitude "It's the way of the world" and "It may not be a perfect system, but it works to some degree" is the only reason it is still like this. n2rotation had every right to rant. especially with the restarting at the bottom of the seniority list. what kind of industry do you go from one company to another and all the sudden your not as good at what you do and you need to get paid crap to do it, until a year later when your skills sharpen back up? RIDICULOUS! and this is a 70+ seat world, but mainline should be freaking flying them!!
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Old 01-17-2008 | 09:16 AM
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great post nwa 757

i am so sick of people defending the regional world. from someone who is still at it, this isnt what i got into commercial aviation for. not for $25/hr at a crappy regional. there are so many things wrong with this industry, and the attitude "It's the way of the world" and "It may not be a perfect system, but it works to some degree" is the only reason it is still like this. n2rotation had every right to rant. especially with the restarting at the bottom of the seniority list. what kind of industry do you go from one company to another and all the sudden your not as good at what you do and you need to get paid crap to do it, until a year later when your skills sharpen back up? RIDICULOUS! and this is a 70+ seat world, but mainline should be freaking flying them!!
Yep...you're absolutely right. Again! Wow...because I was there at mainline when they released scope! Unlike you, I'm going to continue to make the best of this backwards industry!

Oh, and that must be a typo - 'cause Trans States is definately not a crappy regional...

Honestly, why are you so wound-up about disliking us at SkyWest?
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Old 01-17-2008 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by nwa757
You ***** yourself out to Skywest down to 4 days off a month just to credit over 100 hours. Is that the way you want the airline pilot profession to be? We're all just a bunch of underbidding contractors?
Look, I understand how you and others can twist statements with the intent of slurring others basic meaning, that’s fine, you guys do it all your what.

There are so many things wrong with this industry both at the regional level and mainline level. I'm not going to defend an industry that can take a great group of laborers and stick them out on the street while forcing them to start of at less than poverty wages. I deeply feel for all Skyway, Big Sky and Maxjet pilots and employees.

As for the above statement, I continually credit above 120 with some months above 140 and I've NEVER had less than 13 days off. I average 15 off with 125 or so credit.

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We're all just a bunch of underbidding contractors? Sure I understand capitalism, but this is getting out of hand and you know it.
Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 01-17-2008 | 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by nwa757
...and, ExperimentalAB do you think the 70+ seat world should be at mainline?

I sure hope so. Stop defending flying the CRJ 700 and 900 for $19 an hour.
Absolutely! I'd take a mainline number any day of the week - heck I'll go fly the Brasilia for United if they let me! Can you give me a mainline number? Didn't think so...

And I'll go ahead and defend my $19 anytime. I make here at this rate what a third year FO does at Trans States (when there were third year FO's). On second-year pay I can gross what a junior CA there would make as well...but money aside, I Love being here at SkyWest. If ya'll can't handle that, get over it. Unless mainline comes knocking, I'm happy right here. Hopefully some day you can say the same.
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Old 01-17-2008 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
Yep...you're absolutely right. Again! Wow...because I was there at mainline when they released scope! Unlike you, I'm going to continue to make the best of this backwards industry!

Oh, and that must be a typo - 'cause Trans States is definately not a crappy regional...

Honestly, why are you so wound-up about disliking us at SkyWest?
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Look, I understand how you and others can twist statements with the intent of slurring others basic meaning, that’s fine, you guys do it all your what.

There are so many things wrong with this industry both at the regional level and mainline level. I'm not going to defend an industry that can take a great group of laborers and stick them out on the street while forcing them to start of at less than poverty wages. I deeply feel for all Skyway, Big Sky and Maxjet pilots and employees.

As for the above statement, I continually credit above 120 with some months above 140 and I've NEVER had less than 13 days off. I average 15 off with 125 or so credit.



Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Absolutely! I'd take a mainline number any day of the week - heck I'll go fly the Brasilia for United if they let me! Can you give me a mainline number? Didn't think so...

And I'll go ahead and defend my $19 anytime. I make here at this rate what a third year FO does at Trans States (when there were third year FO's). On second-year pay I can gross what a junior CA there would make as well...but money aside, I Love being here at SkyWest. If ya'll can't handle that, get over it. Unless mainline comes knocking, I'm happy right here. Hopefully some day you can say the same.
Guys, you have to understand that there is a lot of animosity against Skywest pilots right now for "riding coat tails" sort of speak. Some humility would help.
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Old 01-17-2008 | 09:40 AM
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Skywest Rules!!!!
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Old 01-17-2008 | 09:41 AM
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Guys, you have to understand that there is a lot of animosity against Skywest pilots right now for "riding coat tails" sort of speak. Some humility would help.
Ya'll won't ever be happy with SkyWest. All you need to do is respect our decisions. You complain that we're non-union. You complain that SAPA is a crock. You tell us "we told you so" when you got a BS pay raise on the table...a little respect on your parts would go a long way. Calling your regional better than mine is like saying you're the smartest kid on the short-bus.
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