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01-21-2008 | 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Killer51883

with all the low time people these places are hiring, will there be out of seniority upgrades because of people not having the flight time requirements?

Yes, it's already happening at many regionals, especially the ones which require 2500TT vice ATP mins.

Upgrading out of seniority can be good, because you get the TPIC ticket punched sooner. But it can also be a QOL issue because all those low-timers you bypass will eventually upgrade on top of you...meaning reserve or bottom-feeder lines for a long time.

01-21-2008 | 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by schone

Anyone knows what's Mesa's and for that matter TSAs upgrade time reuiqrements... total time/multi/turbine/company ac?

Anyone can contribute to this thread with their airline.

Turbine PIC alone won't get you a major airline job these days. If your favorite uncle is the system chief pilot at FDX, it might be worth jumping on any PIC opportunity just to punch the ticket...because you can safely assume that you won't be sticking around.

But if you don't have any special connections, 1000 hours TPIC at mesa could turn into 10,000 hours TPIC at mesa

01-25-2008 | 04:38 PM

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Anyone with less than 3000TT should not be a captain for any airline, regional or not.

01-25-2008 | 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mrmak2

Anyone with less than 3000TT should not be a captain for any airline, regional or not.

No offense but I think that this is a narrow-minded statement. TT alone doesn't mean you'll be an excellent CA, it just gives you something to hang you hat on. Some of the skills needed to be a effective CA can't be learned from flying the line.

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01-25-2008 | 04:56 PM

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Didnt say 3000 would make you a good captain. Just saying i wouldn't want my family in an airplane with a 1500 hr captain and 250 hr FO flying into Boston during winter. I believe flying airliners is an apprenticeship and you cant learn how to be a captain in around a yr unless you come in with alot of previous experience, i.e, the 3000 hr suggestion. just my opinion

01-25-2008 | 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mrmak2

When was the last time you heard of a Big Sky or Great Lakes crash? Just saying, TT only means something to the FAA, other than that it comes down to other factors.

Don't get caught up in the numbers, there just numbers. 20,000 hour pilots crash Cessna's & L1011's too. I'm not making an argument for low timers just that TT's not enough.

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01-25-2008 | 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JetJock16

Going to Mesa or TSA for quick upgrades is a HUGE risk that's not worth taking.

Damn SKW people sure do think highly of themselves! I agree, neither is a great place to go, by any means. But how is going to TSA a HUGE risk? I understand Mesa, b/c they could be gone anyday, but I don't get TSA. I'm really getting tired of the holier than thou SKW people on these boards.

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Originally Posted by newarkblows

Dont fool yourself into thinking 6 months more of pic is worth the damage to your profession, the pay cut, and the decreased qol.

How does working for these companies damage your profession? They aren't GoJets. Dont listen to this moron!

01-25-2008 | 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by flyinaway411

Easy there Pedro. No "holier than thou" attitude here but answer these questions, if the industry takes a turn for the south is TSA an airline you would like spending the next 10 years of your life with? And would you HIGHLY recommend them as a place of employment to your brother, sister or best friend? I didn't think so.

I do respect for TSA pilots where as I don’t respect GoJet pilots, but if someone wants advice on where to go then TSA will NEVER come up on my list. If you don’t know why then enjoy your SJS and I hope you wake up soon.

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01-25-2008 | 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rickair7777

Turbine PIC alone won't get you a major airline job these days. If your favorite uncle is the system chief pilot at FDX, it might be worth jumping on any PIC opportunity just to punch the ticket...because you can safely assume that you won't be sticking around.

But if you don't have any special connections, 1000 hours TPIC at mesa could turn into 10,000 hours TPIC at mesa

Two years ago, we wouldn't have said that 1000 hours of TT would guarentee you a job with a regional airline either...And 10 years ago, we'd all expect to be scooped up by a major before we ever got the 1000 TPIC, just never know.