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Nevets 02-05-2008 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by TonyWilliams (Post 314510)
Thank goodness that you're not settling with those crappy wages or anything subpar. BRAVO !!!!

Well, at least there's that UNION contract guaranteeing the crappy wages.

You go, girl !!!!

Thank goodness that you're not settling with your crappy wages or anything subpar. BRAVO !!!

Well, at least there's that UNION contract guaranteeing your crappy wages. Oh wait, can you even show me your UNION contract that guarantees your crappy wages?

You go, girl !!!

ryguy 02-05-2008 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by ghilis101 (Post 314270)
ryguy, im sure your familiar with operations in places such as Hong Kong, and how they regularly lie about our cargo loads. 40 lbs is nothing compared to those a-holes on the ground who sneak on an extra 10,000 to 20,000 lbs of freight and fudge the numbers on us. if youre upset about taking an extra jumpseater, think about that next time you see your w/b on your 747.

I hear ya, I'm not upset about taking an extra 40 pounds. Just want to make sure it is documented so no one gets in trouble. I was talking about magically appearing half weights etc. to make the numbers work. That is the connotation of "doctoring". Stuff you could get your butt in a sling for with the feds. As for the nature of the actual weight vs. paperwork, I agree. I don't think that 40 pounds extra is dagerous by any means, but there are ways to get it on board without getting yourself in trouble. That was my only point.

TonyWilliams 02-05-2008 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 314516)
Oh wait, can you even show me your UNION contract that guarantees your crappy wages?


Ya, we skipped the middleman, and went straight to the wholesaler.

As to crappy wages at SkyWest, I think most of us here know that's not the case when we look at our W2's at the end of the year, compared to other regionals.

I would argue, however, that the industry as a whole is woefully underpaid, and whether union A, B, or C, or no union at all, it still is sad. Don't see that changing any time soon.

Superpilot92 02-05-2008 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by TonyWilliams (Post 314607)
Ya, we skipped the middleman, and went straight to the wholesaler.

As to crappy wages at SkyWest, I think most of us here know that's not the case when we look at our W2's at the end of the year, compared to other regionals.

I would argue, however, that the industry as a whole is woefully underpaid, and whether union A, B, or C, or no union at all, it still is sad. Don't see that changing any time soon.

The key is to work together as a industry whole to better things. When you guys dont join in with everyone else then you cant work as a whole to fix things. As 1 larger group you can make a difference.. You guys are letting your mgmt team take advantage of you as a pilot group.

Think about this, how long did it take your mgmt team to sue DAL for not paying up? The did immediately, why is it that your mgmt team will fight for what they deserve but your pilot group wont? Think about it.

TonyWilliams 02-05-2008 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 314613)
why is it that your mgmt team will fight for what they deserve but your pilot group wont? Think about it.


Even amongst the various unions that represent air carrier pilots, there's not unity; e.g., APA was vehemently against age 65, ALPA (after flip flopping) for it.

ALPA would have had a much better chance at SkyWest if they had their own house in order. And I do think that an in house union has a better chance than ALPA did, but I don't see that unifying pilots any more than APA, SWAPA, Teamsters, and ALPA are unified.

But, doesn't it get old belaboring union BS ? The vote is over, but they'll be another in 4 or 5 years, I GUARANTEE that. There'll be too many future 1.95% to pass up that attempt again, even if it does take a $5.3 million in the recruitment effort.

Why not save your sales pitch for then?

Superpilot92 02-05-2008 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by TonyWilliams (Post 314617)
Even amongst the various unions that represent air carrier pilots, there's not unity; e.g., APA was vehemently against age 65, ALPA (after flip flopping) for it.

ALPA would have had a much better chance at SkyWest if they had their own house in order. And I do think that an in house union has a better chance than ALPA did, but I don't see that unifying pilots any more than APA, SWAPA, Teamsters, and ALPA are unified.

But, doesn't it get old belaboring union BS ? The vote is over, but they'll be another in 4 or 5 years, I GUARANTEE that. There'll be too many future 1.95% to pass up that attempt again, even if it does take a $5.3 million in the recruitment effort.

Why not save your sales pitch for then?

You quoted my question but then decided not to answer it, why is that? Your mgmt team fights for theirs but you just sit back and take it while your company makes more money than any other regional. Skywest should be the highest paid pilots in the regional sector.

Now feel free to answer my original question.:cool:

Why should i try a sales pitch if the majority of the people listening cant see past their nose, or upgrade time at a regional.....:eek:

TonyWilliams 02-05-2008 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 314621)
You quoted my question but then decided not to answer it, why is that? Your mgmt team fights for theirs but you just sit back and take it while your company makes more money than any other regional. Skywest should be the highest paid pilots in the regional sector.


Well, we're not exactly sitting back, but that's something I doubt we'll agree on.

I do agree, however, as I've said many, many times. If SkyWest is the biggest, and arguably one of the best, we should be paid the best, bar none.

Clearly my argument didn't win the day:o

Superpilot92 02-05-2008 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by TonyWilliams (Post 314643)
Well, we're not exactly sitting back, but that's something I doubt we'll agree on.

I do agree, however, as I've said many, many times. If SkyWest is the biggest, and arguably one of the best, we should be paid the best, bar none.

Clearly my argument didn't win the day:o


What exactly in your opinion makes Skywest one of the best? And you still didnt really answer the question as to why your mgmt team fights for theirs but you settle for what they give you? Just a friendly discussion;)

johnso29 02-05-2008 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 314645)
What exactly in your opinion makes Skywest one of the best? And you still didnt really answer the question as to why your mgmt team fights for theirs but you settle for what they give you? Just a friendly discussion;)


Because their W-2's are always bigger than everyone else's, remember? :rolleyes:

Sniper 02-05-2008 06:07 PM

I wish I could just delete a post I wrote, rather than have to write this.


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