Just out of curiosity, how long did you work at TSA? How much do you know about the contract that we work under? You obviously missed the point of my last post.

I don't know about experimental.... but I worked TSA for 8 months before being furloughed and picked up at SkyWest. My class of 40 at SkyWest had 11 TSA pilots in it, and I was the only one that was furloughed. After working at both places, I can tell you right now that the TSA contract isn't even close to what we have at SkyWest. Please get that new amazing contract out of Hulas before you complain about how small our pay raise was. You have ALOT of catching up to do. (And I hope you do, I have a lot of friends there.)

I agree, SkyWest is bigger, and going to get bigger. And ALPA, or whatever union, will see 1.95% as their future meal ticket. As Arnold says, "Ah'll beeee baaaack."



We're not quite "under" ASA rates... or over, either. And as you've heard from my fellow pilots here at SkyWest, even at those rates, we'll make more money than ASA, and a whole lot of other airlines.

Further, the folks who actually have to live with these pay and work rules are largely happy with them. Clearly, that's not the case at many ALPA carriers, 'cuz we get LOTS of them.

Why is ALPA not picketing Mesa EVERY DAMN DAY ???? Why are they not doing work slow downs, sick outs, and planning for a strike? Where are the lawsuits? Why is any ALPA carrier allowed to be so poor to its working men and women, without any large scale afront to that? Why are so many of those same men and women choosing a lateral move to a non-union carrier, with a 50% total attrition in ONE YEAR?

I could post a whole laundry list of ALPA issues, but in general, let me suggest that ALPA fix what they got, show us what they can do, then come talk to us.

So, I agree whole heartedly with your last statement; it's not going to change any time soon, and ALPA is leading the charge in mediocraty.



Our pilots are the problem !!!! Easy, get rid of a select 66% of the pilots !!!!! Wow, why didn't I think of that?



So, collectively we saved 'em money. Good to know. I wouldn't want to be a burden.




If that's our only hope, I guess the end is near. Darn it, I was just getting to like this place.



Here's a news flash. The last organizing drive here was a disruption to the company, due to the host of laws that make that possible. I understand why the laws are there.... with the thinking that a "bad rogue" company was victimizing their workforce, and the union would sweep in to save the day.

That's just not the case here. But ALPA continues the assault on SkyWest with their ongoing suit.... funny, no suits against Mesa. I heck, I forgot, they already pay dues. Why would they need to do anything there?

Finally, understand that I really don't see any union here in the next few years, and really only respond for pure entertainment.;)

Maybe the union BS is, in part, the answer to your question Grasshopper.

So what your saying is that you are a MGMT hopeful?

They're home most nights and probably make more.

geez.... enough of this BS already....... they voted... got what they wanted..... enough.

Maybe, but if they'd voted ALPA in all of their planes would have espresso makers by now. Clearly, SKW is a bunch of job-stealing pinkos.

Clearly indeed.

Each property is different than other properties. There are varying amount of leverage at each property. There is only so much that can be done at any given time at each property. This is more like a marathon than a sprint. It generally takes a lot longer to get back what was given back.

I'll stop using XJT or Horizon as an example if you stop using Mesa and Trans States as an example. But it is a good point. Each of these four companies have different managements with different set of circumstances and varying amount of financial success. And that is the key with Skywest. Skywest has been THEE most successful regional and that alone would give the pilots more leverage than any other pilot group has ever had a regional to help convince management to give just a little bit more of that three quarters of a BILLION DOLLARS they have a in the bank.


with almost $750 million in the bank and making almost $150 million last year, you guys should be paid just a little bit more than what you got. But with no leverage, you will probably never get up to the middle tier carriers.

To answer your question, leverage is different from property to property. With a company that has an alter ego airline, most of the leverage has to be used just to bring those pilots into the same seniority list. With another property that isn't as financially successful, you just dont have the leverage that you would have if the company had almost three quarters of a BILLION DOLLARS in the bank and making almost $150 million last year.

You clearly don't understand how the dues money is distributed.

So which is it? Are you under or over ASA rates? Why aren't you over ASA rates anyways? Why can't management pay you guys just a little bit more than 1% COLA with almost $750 million in the bank and making alomst $150 million last year? Because they don't want to and dont have to.

I wouldn't be so quick as to say just because this pay proposal passed that a majority of the pilots are largely happy with them.

Many of those things are happening a lot of different places. Pilots are picketing Pinnacle management, planning for strikes, and filing lawsuits. The only thing ALPA is NOT doing is excessing self help because that would be highly illegal at this point. You should know all about this being a NATCA member. Why is NATCA allowed to be so poor to its working men and women, without any large scale afront to that? You know that things have to be done in a lawful way and that ALPA is not allowing any of that to happen just as NATCA is not allowing it to happen as well without both doing everything lawfully possible. ALPA, like NATCA has a communications department that are talking to reporters everyday with articles written everyday in newspapers all over the country everyday. The both have a PAC and lobby congress on a daily basis. A lot of this stuff is done behind the scenes as you very well know from your NATCA experience.

Granted, ALPA is by no means close to being perfect. It has its many issues. But a union is the only means to provide Skywest the means to get just a little bit more of that three quarters of a BILLION DOLLARS pie.

ALPA is leading the charge in mediocraty? Gee, then what does that say about Skywest?:rolleyes:

Not the pilots but your mentality is the problem.

It may or may have not been a monetary burden. I would guess that at first it would be. But the it would be self sustaining. The point is that regardless of the monetary burden, it would still be beneficial to the profession to have you as well.

The end to meritocracy could come in the future. And if so, you'll like it even better there.;)

Well I'll apologize to Skywest management for the right to organize given to workers by congress. I wished it wasn't as much of a burden on management. Maybe if they concentrated on the day to day operations rather than researching, witting, proof reading, editing emails with a lot of disinformation, half truths, and blatant dishonesty, they wouldn't have felt as burdened.

Not a rouge company. Just a company with almost three quarters of a BILLION DOLLARS in the bank and making almost $150 MILLION last year to share just a little bit of it with the pilots while also having the protections of a real contract.

No suits against Mesa because their pilots have a contract in accordance with the RLA which sends disagreements to a neutral arbitrator. Its becoming more clear that you just dont have the fundamental understanding of how these things work.

Clearly, and keep up the work as a NATCAvist.;)