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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
(Post 316352)
All that increases next year and pay rates are only a small part of a Contract. XJT work rules and incentives are where the big money is at. XJT is hiring now and putting people in class in march or april. Facts
All i am saying is you guys deserve to be getting paid more. You fly bigger planes and your company makes more money than any other regional. You deserve more and shouldnt compare XJT 50 seat rates to your 50-70 seat rates. |
Originally Posted by texaspilot76
(Post 316338)
50 seat RJ pay:
Year 1: XJT = $23 SKW = $22 OK, I'll give them a dollar Year 2: XJT = $34 SKW = $35 But take it right back Year 3: XJT = $37 SKW = $37 Sounds like the same to me. XJT: not hiring = no shortage of applicants. The problem is XE pilots fly 37 and 50 seaters. SkyWest pilots fly up to 70 seaters, and are getting paid the same. All while SkyWest makes a pretty penny off the backs of their pilots. Face it, you deserve better, and you won't get it without ALPA. |
Sorry experimental. Was just trying to give yall some support.
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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
(Post 316365)
Absolutely - we at SkyWest know nothing of work-rules :rolleyes:...Why must all ya'll on APC be righteous in all things ALPA/SkyWest - telling us that what we have is not worthy of our talent etc...? I already have one set of parents - I don't need an extended-nuclear family on APC!
I am not badmouthing you or your pilot group I am saying you deserve more for what you do and you are being taken advantage of. You may ask, why do i care? Well when you fly 70 seaters for what i used to make flying a 37 and 50 seat jet at XJT you give other mgmts reason to say that the XJT pilots are overpaid because you do it for less. You should be and deserve to be the highest paid pilots in the regional sector. IF you get 100 seat aircraft would you ask for more pay? how much more? 2-5-10% more where does it stop? I never said ANYTHING about TALENT do you have a complex? All in healthy discussion buddy dont get bent out of shape.;) |
Originally Posted by texaspilot76
(Post 316319)
I will just state the facts:
1. Skywest is in the top 3 for pay among regionals. Horizon has a $121 pay rate, a full 15% higher than Skywest's top rate of $105. Republic has a pay rate of $119, over 13% higher than Skywest's. And the most junior CA flying for ExpressJet's Charter operation pulls in a minimum guarantee of $104,760, a full $10,260, or over 9% higher minimum guarantee than the most senior pilot for Skywest. It is a fact that Skywest has the 3rd highest hourly pay rate for a FAR 121 airline aircraft that seats less than 90 passengers in the US. Beyond that, it's hard to tell where the facts end and the opinion begins. And the great 'satan', Mesa? Their supposedly horrible contract, the one signed 5 years ago that gave away the farm to capture all of their flying . . . it pays a mere $94,600 a year minimum guarantee to a 20 year CA, $100 more than the minimum guarantee for Skywest's highest pay level.:eek: Those are facts. |
Originally Posted by Sniper
(Post 316372)
Stating opinions as facts is not helpful to your cause, Tex.
Horizon has a $121 pay rate, a full 15% higher than Skywest's top rate of $105. Republic has a pay rate of $119, over 13% higher than Skywest's. And the most junior CA flying for ExpressJet's Charter operation pulls in a minimum guarantee of $104,760, a full $10,260, or over 9% higher minimum guarantee than the same pilot for Skywest. It is a fact that Skywest has the 3rd highest hourly pay rate for a FAR 121 airline aircraft that seats less than 90 passengers in the US. Beyond that, it's hard to tell where the facts end and the opinion begins. And the great 'satan', Mesa? Their supposedly horrible contract, the one signed 5 years ago that gave away the farm to capture all of their flying . . . it pays a mere $94,600 a year minimum guarantee to a 20 year CA, $100 more than the minimum guarantee for Skywest's highest pay level.:eek: Those are facts. |
Originally Posted by Superpilot92
(Post 316375)
Not to mention the XJT rates are ONLY for 37/50 seat jets not 70 seaters.
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
(Post 316375)
Not to mention the XJT rates are ONLY for 37/50 seat jets not 70 seaters.
The real judge of an airline, in my opinion, is the work rules and QOL. It's hard to gauge what 'the best' is in this area. If you live in Salt Lake, Skywest will likely be a better choice than any airline but Delta, and even that is debatable (if NWA and DL merge, what happens, plus SLC is not a junior base for DL, so you'd have to commute to the job for a bit - the lack of commute being the the whole reason you'd choose DL, likely) - in short, if you're living comfortably, then why leave? Considering what others are getting and the apparent shortage of pilots @ the regional new-hire level, I would think Skywest could have done better for their junior ranks, and the EMB guys. Would they have done better if they were ALPA or union at all? That is impossible to know, but we all can speculate.;) |
Originally Posted by Sniper
(Post 316372)
Stating opinions as facts is not helpful to your cause, Tex.
Horizon has a $121 pay rate, a full 15% higher than Skywest's top rate of $105. Republic has a pay rate of $119, over 13% higher than Skywest's. And the most junior CA flying for ExpressJet's Charter operation pulls in a minimum guarantee of $104,760, a full $10,260, or over 9% higher minimum guarantee than the most senior pilot for Skywest. It is a fact that Skywest has the 3rd highest hourly pay rate for a FAR 121 airline aircraft that seats less than 90 passengers in the US. Beyond that, it's hard to tell where the facts end and the opinion begins. And the great 'satan', Mesa? Their supposedly horrible contract, the one signed 5 years ago that gave away the farm to capture all of their flying . . . it pays a mere $94,600 a year minimum guarantee to a 20 year CA, $100 more than the minimum guarantee for Skywest's highest pay level.:eek: Those are facts. |
Originally Posted by texaspilot76
(Post 316391)
Well, it a rarity that an individual will stay at a regional for 20 years, so the upper end of the pay scale is irrelevant. The focus is on year 1- 5, which is the average stay for an individual at a regional (well, unless you are at Eagle).
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