Skywest Profits $160 million in 2007
02-13-2008, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
Yes, it is a bold statement. But it is one I believe to be true. I don't believe that "rebel" Skywest pilots come to these boards. I think these boards turned Skywest pilots into "rebels."
Disclaimer... The word rebel is relative to the rest of the Skywest pilot group. It is a compliment. I just could not think of a better word. Perhaps non-koolaid drinkers would have been better.
Disclaimer... The word rebel is relative to the rest of the Skywest pilot group. It is a compliment. I just could not think of a better word. Perhaps non-koolaid drinkers would have been better.
Therefore, TW is absolutely right - any group represented here is not done so by an accurate cross-section. Period.
02-13-2008, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by fosters
Absolutely nothing! You have to look at it like this though - what's better - to be the highest paid with no future (a la ExpressJet) or the lowest paid and growing wildly (a la Colgan). There is a fine line obviously. But I think people put too much emphasis on pay alone. You don't want to burden your company with high pay rates that make you uncompetitive IMO. On the same token you don't want to work as *****s so the upper management takes your money for themselves.
Did somebody just talk some sense on an APC board? Those here preaching nothing but "pay! pay! pay!" are the same ones that if given a big-shot chance at CEO would reward themselves generously.Well said.
02-13-2008, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by fosters
If ALPA was a true union there would be one contract for all ALPA carriers regardless of company. Then we wouldn't have much to worry about in terms of undercutting.
On top of that, ALPA doesn't represent all the regionals, or even all of the unionized regionals.
02-13-2008, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by fosters
Absolutely nothing! You have to look at it like this though - what's better - to be the highest paid with no future (a la ExpressJet) or the lowest paid and growing wildly (a la Colgan). There is a fine line obviously. But I think people put too much emphasis on pay alone. You don't want to burden your company with high pay rates that make you uncompetitive IMO. On the same token you don't want to work as *****s so the upper management takes your money for themselves.
Originally Posted by fosters
If ALPA was a true union there would be one contract for all ALPA carriers regardless of company. Then we wouldn't have much to worry about in terms of undercutting.
Originally Posted by fosters
As a SkyWest pilot you have never been on the other side of the fence where a company underbids you (unless you count the small amount of Colgan flying down in Texas and a few EAS routes from Mesa).
Originally Posted by fosters
I'm not really sure what you are saying here. In regards to class envy, that's one thing (ie poor wanting the rich to pay all the taxes, I am against that) but when CEO's and BODs vote in huge pay increases and stock options for themselves that just is not right. I read an article that was discussing the differences in pay packages from CEOs here in the US and abroad. The funny thing was the foreign companies (such as Toyota) paid their CEO's significantly less multiples of the average employee salary than the unprofitable and bankrupt companies here. Reference past US Air CEOs, UAL CEOs, NWA CEOs in our industry. That's what I was referring to. It just isn't right IMO. I just don't think people are worth millions upon millions for running companies into the ground. If an average worker were to do that they'd get their butt fired with NO PAY. It's a corrupt system but there really isn't any way to change it.
02-13-2008, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Im not sure what you mean about this. Skywest has been accused of underbidding.
Uh, I think that's kind of the name of the game. Business 101.
Obviously, it can be predatory bidding (at a loss to tank another competitor), which I think is what you mean.
Give a jingle to JO at Mesa... he'll fill you in on how to do it.
02-13-2008, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyWilliams
Uh, I think that's kind of the name of the game. Business 101.
Obviously, it can be predatory bidding (at a loss to tank another competitor), which I think is what you mean.
Give a jingle to JO at Mesa... he'll fill you in on how to do it.
Obviously, it can be predatory bidding (at a loss to tank another competitor), which I think is what you mean.
Give a jingle to JO at Mesa... he'll fill you in on how to do it.
And why jingle JO and not JA if its the name of the game? Business 101.
02-13-2008, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
So what did he mean when he said, "As a SkyWest pilot you have never been on the other side of the fence where a company underbids you (unless you count the small amount of Colgan flying down in Texas and a few EAS routes from Mesa)."
It's never happened to me either, but every guy I fly with had it happen, and it sucks. It's the nature of the regional game, we know, but that doesn't change the fact that it sucks.
By being the highest paid regional pilots a pilot group could open themselves up to limited growth if not slicing their own wrists (think Comair). They had one heck of a pay scale, for which they went on strike for 89 days to get, and they ended up taking concessions and still having flying taken away.
As pilots we really are a commodity. If higher pay equated to more profit we would have a leg to stand on. All we have is a union to help us out and the last couple ALPA votes have gone no where.
02-13-2008, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ImperialxRat
Thats about where I stopped reading, and just started going, "uh huh.... uh huh...."
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