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01-19-2006 | 09:53 AM

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"Clearance on Request"

Isn't this an ATC only phrase? My pet peeve is pilots who call up clearance delivery and say "clearance on request to XYZ." Perhaps another "useless phrase?"

01-19-2006 | 09:59 AM

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I dont get it...Must be an IFR thing.

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01-19-2006 | 11:18 AM

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Isn't this an ATC only phrase? My pet peeve is pilots who call up clearance delivery and say "clearance on request to XYZ." Perhaps another "useless phrase?"

You're exactly right, it is an ATC only phrase. It is used mainly from a VFR tower when the controllers have to call up the TRACON to get your clearance for you. Happened to me a lot when flying out of Morristown, NJ. They would have to call up New York TRACON on a land line to get my clearance, as well as a release. What the pilot should say is "xxx clearance, N12345 request IFR clearance to xxx with information xxx."

01-19-2006 | 11:22 AM

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I beg to differ, Alex. SUPT teaches students to say "clearance on request, standing by ready to copy." Since many commercial pilots are military trained, it probably is just a habit pattern. I do it and will continue to since that was how I learned and it gets the desired effect.

01-19-2006 | 11:51 AM

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Seinfeld, what is SUPT?

I'm a civilian trained pilot and former flight instructor and I have never seen this phrase in any pilot publication. I'm in agreement with Alex.

01-19-2006 | 11:54 AM

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Well, according to the AIM that's incorrect phraseology. Read section 5-2-3 and you'll see the correct phraseology.

01-19-2006 | 11:56 AM

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SUPT - specialized undergrad pilot training

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01-19-2006 | 12:05 PM

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Thanks, LAFF...

01-19-2006 | 02:47 PM

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Well, according to the AIM that's incorrect phraseology. Read section 5-2-3 and you'll see the correct phraseology.

Alex, I concede to you. I assume the AIM says what you claim. Fact is I have never opened the AIM. All I know is that when I start my preflight I let clearance delivery know "clearnace on request, ready to copy." Sometimes immediately, but usually later I get my IFR. It has the desired effect. All I am saying is that the mil teaches that technique and many mil pilots use it. Why do you guys care so much?

01-19-2006 | 03:04 PM

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I don't think it's that big of a deal, however, I always make my students read through the AIM and adhere to proper phraseology. I just think using the same standard phraseology keeps people from possibly getting confused, therefore making our skies just that little bit safer...