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nicholasblonde 02-25-2008 06:55 PM

Well, now that it appears fences will be in place at least until I've upgraded on the CRJ, I will openly welcome any Colgan pilot to be a part of our union...

I'm pretty sure this means all Colgan pilots will eventually have to become ALPA, since you can't exactly merge non-union pilots with union ones. Right?

NOW LET'S GET A CONTRACT AND SOME GOOD 900 RATES BOYS!!!!

1forflying 02-25-2008 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by Seggy (Post 327681)
No it can not get tied up in court because the arbitrator is the final word in the matter.

We had our chance to vote in ALPA. If we voted it in this PAST August PNCL ALPA MEC would have worked with us.

We declined and have to live with that decision.

You guys still have another vote coming soon. Do whatever you can to ensure that the Colgan pilot group sends a clear message to management, such as we did with our 99.3% in favor to walk if needed. It would be nice if both pilot groups could take on management together in the future to accomplish all our goals.

Seggy 02-25-2008 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by nicholasblonde (Post 327697)

NOW LET'S GET A CONTRACT AND SOME GOOD 900 RATES BOYS!!!!

And good Slaab and Q400 rates!

tpersuit 02-25-2008 07:10 PM

Wonder how this will affect us over at ExpressJet. Continental just started replacing our flying with Colgan in EWR. Hopefully this will end up costing Continental more money than if they would've stuck with us.

Karma is a B*TCH!!!

Superpilot92 02-25-2008 07:16 PM

nice job guys :)

1forflying 02-25-2008 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by tpersuit (Post 327707)
Wonder how this will affect us over at ExpressJet. Continental just started replacing our flying with Colgan in EWR. Hopefully this will end up costing Continental more money than if they would've stuck with us.

Karma is a B*TCH!!!


Time for all UNION carriers to set minimum contract goals so the majors will be hard pressed to play one regional against another. Thank you for help setting the bar. Hopefully we here at 9E will follow suite and continue the push to create a better QOL at all regionals.

The Juice 02-25-2008 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by Seggy (Post 327681)
No it can not get tied up in court because the arbitrator is the final word in the matter.

We had our chance to vote in ALPA. If we voted it in this PAST August PNCL ALPA MEC would have worked with us.

We declined and have to live with that decision.

I am no legal expert but I do know this in respect to union arbitration.

The arbitrator’s decision is final and binding in most contracts. Both sides must accept the decision and cannot appeal to any higher step in the grievance procedure. An exception to this rule is noted when one side feels strongly that the arbitrator did more than interpret facts and rights under a contract or set of working conditions. (Contracts often say clearly that the arbitrator cannot change contract language or work rules.) In this situation, the loser may go to court to try to overturn the arbitrator’s decision.

Not saying it will happen but i doubt PNCL Corp will just say "OK, you win" given how stubborn they have been.

Seggy 02-25-2008 07:28 PM

True.

The thing is though, if the company was going to file it in a court of law, they would have done so already. It was known a few weeks ago that it was going to be in favor of ALPA, the company would have contested it immediately.

IMO

Rudderdog 02-25-2008 07:34 PM

Congratulations to everybody at 9E for the huge VICTORY. Keep up the great work, and give them hell.

Good luck,
Rudderdog

PCL_128 02-25-2008 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by The Juice (Post 327715)
I am no legal expert but I do know this in respect to union arbitration.

The arbitrator’s decision is final and binding in most contracts. Both sides must accept the decision and cannot appeal to any higher step in the grievance procedure. An exception to this rule is noted when one side feels strongly that the arbitrator did more than interpret facts and rights under a contract or set of working conditions. (Contracts often say clearly that the arbitrator cannot change contract language or work rules.) In this situation, the loser may go to court to try to overturn the arbitrator’s decision.

Not saying it will happen but i doubt PNCL Corp will just say "OK, you win" given how stubborn they have been.

The language in this case is so clear that the company would have no standing in court. Overturning an arbitrator's ruling is an extreme rarity, especially in RLA law. I honestly can't remember when the last one happened. This ruling will stand, although the company could certainly try to delay for as long as possible. In the end, however, there will be one seniority list. Period. This was an amazing victory for ALPA. Anyone who constantly asks "what has ALPA done for me lately" now has a big answer.


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