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Old 03-08-2008, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by CaribPilot View Post
Im not Ms. Cleo or anything but I doubt ASA will get that bad in the near future.
It already was. Has it gotten better?
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Old 03-08-2008, 10:35 PM
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Yeah but that's the starving ethiopian argument (which always pops up). This is to say, compared to a starving ethiopian, we're all priviledged enough to fly an airplane, therefore it is unreasonable to be unhappy about such condition...well, no. Set the benchmark on a relevant datum instead. People strive to fulfill their passion in life, but one shouldn't be EXPECTED to STARVE in order to fulfill one's passion in life. That's where the problem lies. If the job compensated properly for the amount of time spent away from home, and was a more stable platform to provide for the things any job is supposed to provide for (regardless whether said profession is one's passion or not) then it would be a dream, otherwise it's just another crappy job.

The "I'd do this for free" mantra is illogical in its core argument. It doesn't matter if you get enjoyment out of something, if you cannot satisfy one's basic needs, satisfying your self-fulfillment is irrelevant. In other words, you cannot meet your self-fulfilment (higher order) without meeting your basic needs first (lower order). Furthermore, suggesting you CAN do it in reverse is fundamentally disingenuous....parents/trust fund doesn't count as it is an artificial subsidy. Which is why an unmarried 24 y/o male living 5 minutes from base is the only scenario that can actually fulfill his basic needs on a regional gig pay/schedule and therefore has the luxury to wonder if he is being self-fulfilled by a flying gig. Everybody else cannot even visit the question with a straight face, unless you don't need the money. So spare the "do it for the love of it" feel good until you make mortgage on the 2nd.
EXACTLY.
I think this is the smartest post I've read on apc!
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Old 03-08-2008, 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DYNASTY HVY View Post
Been flying almost 20 years and still act like a kid in a candy store at times ,but then again It,s me I guess.
one of the few with this type of thinking or are there more of us like this ?
Ya, we are out there. I love flying... now, I'll be the first to grumble about having to sit a 6 hour ready reserve, but when I have 4 or 5 days off in a row, by the second, I find myself missing the air so much that I'll usually pick up open time if it is available. I cant imagine doing anything else. I guess you can put me in the category of those that live to fly.
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Old 03-08-2008, 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Diver Driver View Post
Ya, we are out there. I love flying... now, I'll be the first to grumble about having to sit a 6 hour ready reserve, but when I have 4 or 5 days off in a row, by the second, I find myself missing the air so much that I'll usually pick up open time if it is available. I cant imagine doing anything else. I guess you can put me in the category of those that live to fly.
You need a hobby or a girlfriend.
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Old 03-08-2008, 10:52 PM
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You need a hobby or a girlfriend.
Haha... I have both believe it or not... but the girlfriend is away at college...
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Old 03-09-2008, 12:07 AM
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"Do what you love, do something else for money" A rich guy told me that once. I am following his advice now and have never been happier or better off financially.

I laugh sometimes when I open my closet and see my old 4stripe jacket in there-it cost me millions.

What a dumba$$ I was.
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Old 03-09-2008, 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyByCable View Post
I have one of the most coveted airline jobs in the world and I hate it. I can't stand the thought of having to go to work. Your "Love" of flying will quickly die and it will soon just become a "Job".
...because you have to sit next to people like this guy the rest of your career.
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Old 03-09-2008, 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by AV8R View Post
...because you have to sit next to people like this guy the rest of your career.
My sentiments exactly and there are those who once they finish their trip willhave nothing to do with anything avi related till they go back to their JOB the next week and by the way I started my career when flying was glamourous and in some ways it still is one just has to get by the so called bs .


I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather,not screaming like the pax on his plane .
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Old 03-09-2008, 05:36 AM
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Well, the warnings on the bottle say:

....any longer than 4 hours, you should see a Doctor.
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Old 03-09-2008, 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by hindsight2020 View Post
Yeah but that's the starving ethiopian argument (which always pops up). This is to say, compared to a starving ethiopian, we're all priviledged enough to fly an airplane, therefore it is unreasonable to be unhappy about such condition...well, no. Set the benchmark on a relevant datum instead. People strive to fulfill their passion in life, but one shouldn't be EXPECTED to STARVE in order to fulfill one's passion in life. That's where the problem lies. If the job compensated properly for the amount of time spent away from home, and was a more stable platform to provide for the things any job is supposed to provide for (regardless whether said profession is one's passion or not) then it would be a dream, otherwise it's just another crappy job.

The "I'd do this for free" mantra is illogical in its core argument. It doesn'tmatter if you get enjoyment out of something, if you cannot satisfy one's basic needs, satisfying your self-fulfillment is irrelevant. In other words, you cannot meet your self-fulfilment (higher order) without meeting your basic needs first (lower order). Furthermore, suggesting you CAN do it in reverse is fundamentally disingenuous....parents/trust fund doesn't count as it is an artificial subsidy. Which is why an unmarried 24 y/o male living 5 minutes from base is the only scenario that can actually fulfill his basic needs on a regional gig pay/schedule and therefore has the luxury to wonder if he is being self-fulfilled by a flying gig. Everybody else cannot even visit the question with a straight face, unless you don't need the money. So spare the "do it for the love of it" feel good until you make mortgage on the 2nd.
Right on the mark. If you are not earning a living wage while doing it then it is a working hobby, and everyone loves a hobby.

You can not tell if you really love the job until you are forced to live off what it produces.

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