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Old 03-11-2008, 07:48 AM   #21  
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Just thinking out loud, Mesa's going down, how will it go?

1. Bankrupt and Liquidated.
2. Bought out at bargain price.
3. Chipped away, downsized till there's hardly anything left.

I'd rather see 1 or 2, that way a better carrier can take those PHX and LAS routes sooner.
Yea, like PSA!!! (I hope, I hope, I hope)
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Just thinking out loud, Mesa's going down, how will it go?

1. Bankrupt and Liquidated.
2. Bought out at bargain price.
3. Chipped away, downsized till there's hardly anything left.

I'd rather see 1 or 2, that way a better carrier can take those PHX and LAS routes sooner.
Probably 2 or 3, I think it would be very difficult for a large public airline to liquidate in today's environment. But if MAG management pulls some totally off-the-wall stupid stunt they might get themselves into #1...
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Probably 2 or 3, I think it would be very difficult for a large public airline to liquidate in today's environment. But if MAG management pulls some totally off-the-wall stupid stunt they might get themselves into #1...
Not MAG, they would never stoop to something like that!!!(Freedom, go!, china......)

MAG was the best AND worst 27 months of my life. Great people, lasting friendships, craptacular management.
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Here are a couple of things that might deter a buyout from Skywest. Although, if the price is right, all bets are off.



D. Successor and Mergers

1. This Agreement shall be binding upon any successor or assign of the Company unless and until changed in accordance with the provisions of the Railway Labor Act, as amended. For purposes of this paragraph, a successor or assign shall be defined as an entity which acquires all or substantially all of the assets or equity of the Company through a single transaction or multi-step related transactions which close within a 12 month period.

2. No contract or other legally binding commitment involving the transfer of
ownership or control pursuant to a successorship transaction, whether by sale, transfer or lease of the Company or substantially all of its assets, will be signed or otherwise entered into unless it is agreed as a material and irrevocable condition of entering into, concluding and implementing such transaction that the rates of pay, rules and working conditions set forth in this Agreement will be assumed by the successor employer and employees on the then current Pilots’ Seniority List will be employed in accordance with the provisions of this Agreement. The Company shall give notice of the existence of this Agreement to any purchaser, transferee, lessee, or assignee of the operation covered by this Agreement or any substantial part thereof. Such notice shall be in writing, with a copy to the Association, at the time the seller, transferor, or lessor executes a
definitive agreement with respect to a transaction as herein described.

3. Unless otherwise agreed, the following provisions shall apply in the event of a successorship transaction in which the successor is an air carrier or an affiliate of an air carrier, or a transaction in which the Company acquires control of another air carrier; and

a. The integration of the seniority lists of the respective pilot groups shall
be governed by Association Merger Policy if both pre-transaction pilot groups are represented by the Association. If the other pre-transaction group is not represented by the Association, Sections 3 and 13 of the Allegheny-Mohawk Labor Protective Provisions ("LPP") shall apply. The successor or Company, as appropriate, shall accept the integrated seniority list, including any conditions and restrictions, established through Association merger policy or LPP proceedings, as applicable; and,

b. The respective pilot collective bargaining agreements shall be merged into one agreement as the result of negotiations among the pilot groups and the successor or the Company. If a fully merged agreement is not executed within 9 months from the date a final and binding integrated pilot seniority list is issued, the parties shall jointly submit outstanding issues to binding interest arbitration; and,

c. The aircraft (including orders and options to purchase aircraft) and the operations of each pre-transaction airline shall remain separated until such time as both pilots’ seniority lists are integrated and the pilot collective bargaining agreements are combined in accordance with paragraphs D.3.a. and D.3.b., above; and,

d. Pending the merger of the pre-transaction carrier and the pilot collective bargaining agreements and seniority lists, no pilot on the Pilots’ Seniority List shall be reduced in status or pay category as an effect of the merger, purchase or acquisition.

4. The following additional requirements shall be applicable in the event of a merger, purchase or acquisition involving the Company, regardless of the identity of the surviving carrier or whether formerly separate operations are to be integrated.

a. Unless and until any operational merger is finally effectuated, the Association will continue to be recognized as the representative of the
pre-merger Company pilots, so long as such recognition is consistent with the Railway Labor Act and any applicable rulings or orders of the
National Mediation Board. Recognition of a post-merger representative shall be governed by the Railway Labor Act and by any applicable rulings
or orders of the National Mediation Board.

b. Subject to applicable securities and other laws and regulations, the Company will review with the Association the details of any material agreements relating to successorship transactions in a timely manner, provided that no financial or other confidential business information need be disclosed unless suitable arrangements are made for protecting the confidentiality and use of such information.

c. The Company or surviving carrier, if different than the Company, shall meet promptly with the Association, upon request, to negotiate the
implementation of the requirements of this paragraph.
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Dear Captains Woerth and Leneski,

This letter will confirm the commitments and obligations of ExpressJet Holdings, Inc. and XJT Holdings, Inc. (hereinafter referred to as “Holdings”) with respect to any and all flying performed by Holdings or any of its affiliates utilizing aircraft greater than 19 passenger seats and whose pilots are covered by the Railway Labor Act (“RLA”). Holdings and the Air Line Pilots Association (“Association” or “ALPA”) agree as follows:

1. Any and all flying performed by or for Holdings or any affiliate of Holdings pursuant to a code sharing agreement, capacity purchase agreement, special prorate agreement or similar agreement (“Code Share Agreement”) between Continental Airlines, Inc. (“Continental”) and Holdings or any of its affiliates utilizing aircraft with greater than 19 passenger seats will be performed by ExpressJet Airlines, Inc. (“ExpressJet” or “Company”) under the terms of the Agreement between ExpressJet Airlines, Inc. and ALPA dated December 1, 2004 (“Agreement”).

2. If Holdings creates or establishes an air carrier, including through an existing or new affiliate, Holdings will ensure that this air carrier recognizes ALPA as the representative of its pilots consistent with the RLA, that the air carrier adopts a collective bargaining agreement identical to the Agreement and that all flying by or for the air carrier will be performed by pilots on the ExpressJet Pilot Seniority List (the “Pilots’ Seniority List”). Filling of vacancy and displacement rights for such pilots at the new air carrier will be established by mutual agreement between ALPA, ExpressJet and the new air carrier, provided that if an agreement is not executed within 30 days from the date the affiliate was created or established, the parties shall jointly submit outstanding issues on the filling of vacancies and displacement rights to expedited binding arbitration.3. As a material and irrevocable condition of entering into an agreement for the acquisition or control of an air carrier or affiliate of an air carrier that operates pursuant to any Code Share Agreement providing feed flying for another carrier, Holdings will ensure that, subsequent to the acquisition:

a. The acquired air carrier does not enter into any new Code Share Agreement unless the Code Share Agreement(s) in existence at the time of the acquisition is terminated by the acquired air carrier’s Code Share Agreement partner;

b. ExpressJet and the acquired air carrier accept and implement an integrated pilot seniority list produced pursuant to:

i. ALPA Merger Policy, if the pilots of the acquired air carrier are represented by the Association or

ii. Section 3 and 13 of the Allegheny-Mohawk Labor Protective Provisions, if the pilots of the acquired air carrier are not represented by the Association
for the purpose of the filling of vacancies and establishing displacement rights between the air carriers, provided that implementation of the integrated seniority list does not result in substantially greater costs to either airline;

c. If the acquired air carrier’s pilots are not represented by a labor organization, the acquired air carrier agrees to the provisions for filling of vacancies and displacement rights between the air carriers as negotiated and agreed to by the Association and ExpressJet for pilots at both airlines, provided that if an agreement is not executed within 30 days from the date of acquisition of the acquired air carrier, the Association and ExpressJet shall jointly submit outstanding issues on the filling of vacancies and displacement rights to expedited binding arbitration;

d. In the event the Association attempts to organize the pilots of an acquired air carrier whose pilots are not represented by a labor organization, the acquired air carrier will take a position of neutrality regarding representation of its pilots and will provide ALPA access to its pilots for organizing purposes and recognize ALPA as the bargaining representative pursuant to a certified card check consistent with the RLA;

e. If the acquired air carrier’s pilots are represented by a labor organization other than the Association, ExpressJet and the acquired air carrier agree to the provisions for filling of vacancies and displacement rights as negotiated and agreed to by ExpressJet, the acquired air carrier, ALPA and the other labor organization; provided that if an agreement is not executed within 30 days from the date of acquisition of the acquired carrier, ExpressJet, the acquired air carrier, ALPA and the other labor organization shall jointly submit outstanding issues on the filling of vacancies and displacement rights to binding arbitration;

f. If the acquired air carrier’s pilots are represented by the Association, ExpressJet and the acquired air carrier agree to the provisions for filling of vacancies and displacement rights negotiated and agreed to by ExpressJet, the acquired air carrier and ALPA; provided that if an agreement is not executed within 30 days from the date of acquisition of the acquired carrier, ExpressJet, the acquired air carrier and ALPA shall jointly submit outstanding issues on the filling of vacancies and displacement rights to expedited binding arbitration;

g. No ExpressJet aircraft (including orders and options) shall be transferred to the acquired air carrier; provided however, if Continental reduces the number of aircraft flying pursuant to the capacity purchase agreement between Continental and ExpressJet, that number of aircraft may be transferred to the acquired air carrier; and,

h. Pending the implementation of the provisions for filling of vacancies and displacement rights between the air carriers and the integrated pilot seniority list in paragraphs 3.b.,c.,e. and f., above, no pilot on the ExpressJet pilot seniority list shall be reduced in status or pay category, nor shall vacancies be filled at the acquired air carrier that are the result of a new Code Share Agreement or transferred aircraft permitted in paragraph 3.a. or g., above.

4. If Holdings acquires an air carrier that does not have a Code Share Agreement and only operates aircraft lawfully operable in commercial passenger flight operations with maximum seating capacity in excess of 70 seats, Holdings will merge such air carrier with ExpressJet pursuant to Section 1.D.3. of the Agreement. However, the merged agreement referred to in Section 1.D.3.b. of the Agreement may, at the Company’s option, provide for separate operating divisions with rates of pay, rules and working conditions for each of the pre-acquisition operations. The rates of pay, rules and working conditions at each division will be those in place at the time of the acquisition. Further, pursuant to this option, the merged contract will contain provisions for filling of vacancies and displacement rights between the divisions. The provisions for filling of vacancies and displacement rights between the divisions and the duration section of the merged agreement will be determined through mutual agreement between the Company and the Association. If an agreement is not executed within 30 days from the date of acquisition of the acquired air carrier, the Association and ExpressJet shall jointly submit outstanding issues to expedited binding arbitration as provided in Section 1.D.3.b.

5. If Holdings acquires an air carrier that does not have a Code Share Agreement and operates aircraft lawfully operable in commercial passenger flight operations with maximum seating capacity of 70 seats or less, such air carrier will be merged with ExpressJet pursuant to Section 1.D.3.a. through d. of the Agreement.

6. The flying set forth in Section 1 of the Agreement and in this letter comprise any and all flying that may be performed by Holdings or for any affiliate of Holdings utilizing aircraft with greater than 19 passenger seats and with pilots who are covered by the RLA.

7. This letter shall be binding upon any successor or assign of Holdings. For purposes of this paragraph, a successor or assign shall be defined as an entity which acquires all or substantially all of the assets or equity of Holdings through a single transaction or multistep related transactions which close within a 12 month period.

8. No contract or other legally binding commitment involving the transfer of ownership or control pursuant to a successorship transaction, whether by sale, transfer or lease of Holdings or substantially all of its assets, will be signed or otherwise entered into by Holdings unless it is agreed as a material and irrevocable condition of entering into, concluding and implementing such transaction that the obligations contained in this letter will be assumed by the successor. Holdings shall give notice of the existence of this letter to any purchaser, transferee, lessee, or assignee. Such notice shall be in writing with a copy to the Association, at the time the seller, transferor, or lessor executes a definitive agreement with respect to a transaction as herein described.

9. In the event of a dispute over the interpretation of this letter, such dispute will be resolved by final and binding arbitration under the expedited dispute resolution provisions of Section 1 of the Agreement. The parties specifically recognize and agree, however, that Holdings is not, and nothing in this letter (including this paragraph) means or can be construed as meaning that Holdings is or has agreed that it is subject
to the RLA.

10. This letter shall be effective upon execution and shall run concurrently with the Agreement including any status quo period under the RLA
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Dear Captains Woerth and Leneski,

This letter will confirm the commitments and obligations of ExpressJet Holdings, Inc. and XJT Holdings, Inc. (hereinafter referred to as “Holdings”) with respect to any and all flying performed by Holdings or any of its affiliates utilizing aircraft greater than 19 passenger seats and whose pilots are covered by the Railway Labor Act (“RLA”). Holdings and the Air Line Pilots Association (“Association” or “ALPA”) agree as follows:

1. Any and all flying performed by or for Holdings or any affiliate of Holdings pursuant to a code sharing agreement, capacity purchase agreement, special prorate agreement or similar agreement (“Code Share Agreement”) between Continental Airlines, Inc. (“Continental”) and Holdings or any of its affiliates utilizing aircraft with greater than 19 passenger seats will be performed by ExpressJet Airlines, Inc. (“ExpressJet” or “Company”) under the terms of the Agreement between ExpressJet Airlines, Inc. and ALPA dated December 1, 2004 (“Agreement”).

2. If Holdings creates or establishes an air carrier, including through an existing or new affiliate, Holdings will ensure that this air carrier recognizes ALPA as the representative of its pilots consistent with the RLA, that the air carrier adopts a collective bargaining agreement identical to the Agreement and that all flying by or for the air carrier will be performed by pilots on the ExpressJet Pilot Seniority List (the “Pilots’ Seniority List”). Filling of vacancy and displacement rights for such pilots at the new air carrier will be established by mutual agreement between ALPA, ExpressJet and the new air carrier, provided that if an agreement is not executed within 30 days from the date the affiliate was created or established, the parties shall jointly submit outstanding issues on the filling of vacancies and displacement rights to expedited binding arbitration.3. As a material and irrevocable condition of entering into an agreement for the acquisition or control of an air carrier or affiliate of an air carrier that operates pursuant to any Code Share Agreement providing feed flying for another carrier, Holdings will ensure that, subsequent to the acquisition:

a. The acquired air carrier does not enter into any new Code Share Agreement unless the Code Share Agreement(s) in existence at the time of the acquisition is terminated by the acquired air carrier’s Code Share Agreement partner;

b. ExpressJet and the acquired air carrier accept and implement an integrated pilot seniority list produced pursuant to:

i. ALPA Merger Policy, if the pilots of the acquired air carrier are represented by the Association or

ii. Section 3 and 13 of the Allegheny-Mohawk Labor Protective Provisions, if the pilots of the acquired air carrier are not represented by the Association
for the purpose of the filling of vacancies and establishing displacement rights between the air carriers, provided that implementation of the integrated seniority list does not result in substantially greater costs to either airline;

c. If the acquired air carrier’s pilots are not represented by a labor organization, the acquired air carrier agrees to the provisions for filling of vacancies and displacement rights between the air carriers as negotiated and agreed to by the Association and ExpressJet for pilots at both airlines, provided that if an agreement is not executed within 30 days from the date of acquisition of the acquired air carrier, the Association and ExpressJet shall jointly submit outstanding issues on the filling of vacancies and displacement rights to expedited binding arbitration;

d. In the event the Association attempts to organize the pilots of an acquired air carrier whose pilots are not represented by a labor organization, the acquired air carrier will take a position of neutrality regarding representation of its pilots and will provide ALPA access to its pilots for organizing purposes and recognize ALPA as the bargaining representative pursuant to a certified card check consistent with the RLA;

e. If the acquired air carrier’s pilots are represented by a labor organization other than the Association, ExpressJet and the acquired air carrier agree to the provisions for filling of vacancies and displacement rights as negotiated and agreed to by ExpressJet, the acquired air carrier, ALPA and the other labor organization; provided that if an agreement is not executed within 30 days from the date of acquisition of the acquired carrier, ExpressJet, the acquired air carrier, ALPA and the other labor organization shall jointly submit outstanding issues on the filling of vacancies and displacement rights to binding arbitration;

f. If the acquired air carrier’s pilots are represented by the Association, ExpressJet and the acquired air carrier agree to the provisions for filling of vacancies and displacement rights negotiated and agreed to by ExpressJet, the acquired air carrier and ALPA; provided that if an agreement is not executed within 30 days from the date of acquisition of the acquired carrier, ExpressJet, the acquired air carrier and ALPA shall jointly submit outstanding issues on the filling of vacancies and displacement rights to expedited binding arbitration;

g. No ExpressJet aircraft (including orders and options) shall be transferred to the acquired air carrier; provided however, if Continental reduces the number of aircraft flying pursuant to the capacity purchase agreement between Continental and ExpressJet, that number of aircraft may be transferred to the acquired air carrier; and,

h. Pending the implementation of the provisions for filling of vacancies and displacement rights between the air carriers and the integrated pilot seniority list in paragraphs 3.b.,c.,e. and f., above, no pilot on the ExpressJet pilot seniority list shall be reduced in status or pay category, nor shall vacancies be filled at the acquired air carrier that are the result of a new Code Share Agreement or transferred aircraft permitted in paragraph 3.a. or g., above.

4. If Holdings acquires an air carrier that does not have a Code Share Agreement and only operates aircraft lawfully operable in commercial passenger flight operations with maximum seating capacity in excess of 70 seats, Holdings will merge such air carrier with ExpressJet pursuant to Section 1.D.3. of the Agreement. However, the merged agreement referred to in Section 1.D.3.b. of the Agreement may, at the Company’s option, provide for separate operating divisions with rates of pay, rules and working conditions for each of the pre-acquisition operations. The rates of pay, rules and working conditions at each division will be those in place at the time of the acquisition. Further, pursuant to this option, the merged contract will contain provisions for filling of vacancies and displacement rights between the divisions. The provisions for filling of vacancies and displacement rights between the divisions and the duration section of the merged agreement will be determined through mutual agreement between the Company and the Association. If an agreement is not executed within 30 days from the date of acquisition of the acquired air carrier, the Association and ExpressJet shall jointly submit outstanding issues to expedited binding arbitration as provided in Section 1.D.3.b.

5. If Holdings acquires an air carrier that does not have a Code Share Agreement and operates aircraft lawfully operable in commercial passenger flight operations with maximum seating capacity of 70 seats or less, such air carrier will be merged with ExpressJet pursuant to Section 1.D.3.a. through d. of the Agreement.

6. The flying set forth in Section 1 of the Agreement and in this letter comprise any and all flying that may be performed by Holdings or for any affiliate of Holdings utilizing aircraft with greater than 19 passenger seats and with pilots who are covered by the RLA.

7. This letter shall be binding upon any successor or assign of Holdings. For purposes of this paragraph, a successor or assign shall be defined as an entity which acquires all or substantially all of the assets or equity of Holdings through a single transaction or multistep related transactions which close within a 12 month period.

8. No contract or other legally binding commitment involving the transfer of ownership or control pursuant to a successorship transaction, whether by sale, transfer or lease of Holdings or substantially all of its assets, will be signed or otherwise entered into by Holdings unless it is agreed as a material and irrevocable condition of entering into, concluding and implementing such transaction that the obligations contained in this letter will be assumed by the successor. Holdings shall give notice of the existence of this letter to any purchaser, transferee, lessee, or assignee. Such notice shall be in writing with a copy to the Association, at the time the seller, transferor, or lessor executes a definitive agreement with respect to a transaction as herein described.

9. In the event of a dispute over the interpretation of this letter, such dispute will be resolved by final and binding arbitration under the expedited dispute resolution provisions of Section 1 of the Agreement. The parties specifically recognize and agree, however, that Holdings is not, and nothing in this letter (including this paragraph) means or can be construed as meaning that Holdings is or has agreed that it is subject
to the RLA.

10. This letter shall be effective upon execution and shall run concurrently with the Agreement including any status quo period under the RLA
It will be interesting to see how this applied.
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If SkyWest bought MAG, the Successor and Merger clause is moot. There are several ways around it anyway. Don't you think ASA had one, too? Besides, it "protects" the pilots by granting current work rules/pay rates. SkyWest would be happy to let the MAG pilots keep those if they want.
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It will be interesting to see how this applied.
I think it would be a big deterrent. But anything is possible at the right price.

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If SkyWest bought MAG, the Successor and Merger clause is moot. There are several ways around it anyway. Don't you think ASA had one, too? Besides, it "protects" the pilots by granting current work rules/pay rates. SkyWest would be happy to let the MAG pilots keep those if they want.
Not all Successor and M&A clauses are written the same. Some are more air tight than others.
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wasnt the skywest and ASA deal prior to the Allegheny Mohawk signing?
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wasnt the skywest and ASA deal prior to the Allegheny Mohawk signing?
Yes, but as I understand it, the A-M amendment to the Reauthorization bill only applies if both companies are subject to the RLA (aka "union").

The MAG S & M (huh, huh) provision that Nevjet posted is pretty standard in my experience. I've seen it almost verbatim in two airline union contracts that I've worked under (neither as a pilot).
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