One technique that seems to work well is to slowly start reducing power at the 50ft callout, but don't completely wipe it. Keep just a touch of power in until the 10ft call and then walk it all out and decrease pitch by 1 degree or so and it rolls on pretty nicely. One mistake a lot of people make is setting the pitch too high in the flare, especially when trying to slow a high descent rate, that just drives the mains into the ground. Oh well...good luck!

i got just about 300 hours in it but most of it was on quick flights in between san juan and tortola (about 60 miles) so i got my fair share of landings in it. The one thing i can say about landing it is dont ever think you figured it out. once you think you have it will prove to you that you dont know how to land the thing.

True dat. When I was in St. Maarten I saw an Eagle ATR bounce it in there. I was glad to see Im not the only one that does that:D That Caribbean flying looks like a blast though!

Buffalopilot....we've all been there:) My worst was coming into RIC on my first flight after IOE...clear as a bell with minimal wind, just like everybody says....that's when it'll get you. Didn't transition my vision down the runway early enough...WHAAAAM. Other time I was nonrevving to MCO on a 757, biz traveller sitting next to me who said "Let's see how he does" when we were on final. It was a firm landing, but not bad in my opinion. Biz traveller chuckled and said "Ohhh nooope....you've gotta go talk to this guy." I just told him that wasn't bad...TRUST me.

Man I pranged one on in the Dash in PWM so hard all the bins opened up. Of course it was clear and a million. It happens to all of us many more times than we care to admit.
A few of us finally had a competiton going. We called them dime landings. We'd place a US dime in between the ITT gauges and you had to make sure you kept it from popping out when you touched down. We finally got good enough with the US dime that we transitioned to the Canadian dime. Now that was hard!!

That's what you get for starting in the window seat!:p
I thought I'd try a VMC Cat IIIa from the right seat without the HGS by using the associated instruments. It never dawned on me that I wouldn't have the flare cue like in the HUD. You bounce pretty high hitting at 750 fpm.:D

I'm probably posting to keep my account active...but here goes.

I managed a landing in the 200 bad enough that the tower controller said, "Did that hurt?"

"but in the 72 everything was a crapshoot... "

Ha....that was my experience as well.

I had something similar happen in JAN about a month back. It was a night visual to 16R with a bit of a right crosswind. When we got to about 50' I caught a pretty nice gust and had to really work to put the thing on centerline without a sideload. I went ahead and put it down somewhat firmly on the upwind wheel just so I didn't lose too much airspeed and control effectiveness with all the dramatics caused by the gust.

As we taxiied in, I actually felt really good about the approach and landing. Night visual, FD off, to a runway without an IAP and landed it safely with a gusty crosswind. But of course, once the door opened nobody seemed to care about any of that. One older man stopped by, looked at me, and said "must have been an FO landing!" I was a little annoyed by that, but what really made me angry was when an older lady stopped by the FA and told her "tell the pilot he gets an F!"

Yeah, I wasn't about to have that. I said "Ma'am, I landed the plane, why don't you tell that to me?" She kind of stammered for a minute (I don't think she thought I'd turn around), and then said "Well uhhh...the bags in the overhead weren't the only things that shifted during that landing!" :eek: The CA turned around at that point and told her that it was blustery outside and that the landing was fine.

I held my tongue, but I really wanted to ask her when the last time she landed a jet in a crosswind was...

I would hope you would hold your tongue. Those pax happen to pay your salary, and I would think you would be a professional whilst in uniform. What happened to the old saying "The customer is always right"? I know it sounds nitpicky but you should grow some thicker skin, have fun with it instead of it making you all upset. Your paid to land in a crosswind, hence the good view you have up front.

You can save the lecture. I did hold my tongue.

By the way, after enough waiting tables in my lifetime I hate it when people try to tell me "the customer is always right." In fact, many customers are rude, ignorant, or downright hostile towards employees. I do my best always to treat my customers well (and yes, being an airline pilot is a customer service oriented job), but sometimes the things they do can't just be allowed to happen.

Here's a good read: http://positivesharing.com/2006/07/w...tomer-service/

The customer is not always right, and that is one of the most stupid sayings around. Just because you pay money for something does not give you a right to be rude and say whatever you want, and people that think they can should be put in their place.

Worst landing I ever made got me praised by 3 or 4 pax and the Senior. Little did they know.

Welcome to SWA's philosophy

I submit that you have room to improve your CRJ200 landings (and takeoffs). You CAN make a great landing in a CRJ, it's just not guaranteed every time. Don't give up on the A/C, but don't overcontrol and float too much either. Many pilots carry thrust until too low and/or flare too late, float and then drop it in. It's about maintaining a low sink rate that last 5 ft. With the right pitch and roll on the yoke, the CRJ will roll down the runway pretty nicely.

The mystery I've yet to solve with the CRJ200 is why do some pretty soft touchdowns have no GLD induced squatting, while during other soft touchdowns the GLD spoils it for you. It seems to me that the squatting occurs when you touchdown at a higher than normal speed.

Watch an Airbii 3xx series, the GLD deploy slowly, while the 737 pop up instantly, it makes a difference.

Spoken like a true professional...........Wonder why 9E gets the reputation that is has.

Night and Red -

Keep on plugging away at what ever Regional you work at, it fits your attitude. Corporate or Fractional is not in your future unless you change your outlook on little things like this.


You wouldn't see anyone at NJ or the like treat their pax that way. Sack up or let someone else deal with them. In the end, it was your touchdown that garnered the negative attention from the passenger in the first place. Nobody's perfect, especially me, but I would never get smart with a paying passenger. Just let someone else deal with them, they are probably scared to fly, self absorbed chumps who think that the plane is so automated it could land itself so why even bother with them. Give them a smile, it actually tees them off more to not get a reaction from you.

Peace Brothers. :)

"What is it about hard landing that makes me have to xxxx? You really jarred something loose tiger." - Landlady in Kingpin

Fair enough, but I won't tolerate customers being rude or condescending to me simply because they paid some money to fly on my aircraft. I've been in that position before and now refuse to become a doormat.

As I said, I treat my customers very well, and it drives me up the wall when I fly with CAs who don't make PAs the entire flight or update the people in the back on delays or other critical information. However, my dignity is worth more than the money they paid to fly on the plane. I believe that there are certain things that customers can get away with before being called out on it, and treating employees like dirt isn't one of them.

The businesses that do the best put their employees first and their customers second or third. Trust me, there is a good reason why companies like this do so well, maybe you did not read the article that night put up.

My stock response is, "That'll teach 'em!"

"firmly planting it on the ground and testing the anti-skid."

Sounds like the landing I had the other day in ONT. Great flight and good landing, but at the very end you felt that ATC asked the guy if he could make the next taxiway and he STOOD on the brakes and we all tested the seat belts. Got a few murmurs out of the pax, but all these airline landings are much better than what I normally endure so I'm not one to complain!

USMCFLYR

My first few landings during IOE were transparent to me until my LCP got on the PA and welcomed everyone aboard the USS LaGuardia. Things got randomly better, but here's my thought: a good hard landing makes the folks appreciate the fact that they got their money's worth by arriving safely. For those of you that grease them on every time, thanks alot...people think that it is easy and safe enough to pay less money for the ticket. Make them appreciate the fact that they only paid for one of the two landings that we made!

I like the way you think LoL :D

I'm sure it's all because of things like exaggerated stories about crappy landings, written on an internet message board. :rolleyes:

The worst ones are the ones that are firm but don't seem that bad only to have comments from pax as the exit out about how the airplane needs better shock absorbers.

My landings are always smooooth....Yeah Right! Haha

was in an attempt to make taxiway charlie landing on 20 in RIC a few weeks back...made the taxiway without incident, but the landing most likely dented the pavement....no matter, i showed richmond.

Still on IOE for the A320...and my landings are like the military beacons....1 good 2 to forget.... still trying to flare at 50 and keep the centerline..:D

I would be personally offended if everytime I came in for landing I got called a "retard" :mad:

LOL!.......Good one!

Man, that couldnt be more true, the 900 can be tricky from what I've seen. I just finished SIMs last weeks and for the most part my landings were good. But, on my LOFT flight for some unknown reason, at the 50ft callout I instantly went to idle thrust.........SLAM! I think I was a little soar after that one. O, and I have IOE starting this Tuesday, I certainly will bring the power out much slower at that 50ft call........

I just keep resurectting all the old post about first flights and bad landings today! But hey it's my day off, the lady is at work actually making money and I have to catch up on my rumors.

I can't tell if my landings suck or not. It sounds dumb but I think it really depends on where you are sitting. I think when you're sitting in the back any seat on or behind the wing makes for a hard landing. In the cockpit its hard to judge those that are on the fence. (but if you're on the fence than in probably sucked).

I was going into Boston on a nice morning and flew this really smooth visual and was on speed, on glideslope, gettin' in early and makin' my flight home...when I then proceeded to push 22L furthur into the ocean. Landing a fully loaded jungle jet on all three at once makes a weird noise. The captain was a nice guy and kinda just laughed, while the jumpseating captain gave me one of those "you're an idiot" head shakes.

Everyone I've talked to/flown with has a different method/technique/opinion on how to land a jet. I just hope when the nose comes down that theres pavement in front of me.

A grease-job landing is 50 percent luck; two in a row are entirely luck; three in a row and someone's lying!

You can say that again. Sometimes I go the whole trip without making a "good" landing. Hey, at least they are in the touchdown zone, huh?

REAL greasers are luck.... the guy who is trying like crazy to grease it on is the guy who will burn up 4000 feet of runway... then slam on the brakes and dump the reversers .......who gives a crap if you grease it on only to have to get on the brakes so hard that everyone is uncomfortable.... IDIOTS!!!

One of my favorites was when I pounded it onto 34 at HPN during a blustery evening in a crj 700. Saying goodbye to the pax at the door as they deplaned, a really fat guy in a huge track suit warm up thing said "that landing hurt" real cocky like. As I smiled and was biting my tongue FA says "we were a little heavy today". Bought her a drink that night!

Werent you the pilot that did that to me in the Herc when I was a paratrooper at Bragg? Lol Yeah, u r right. Don't burn up the rw for the perfect landing. Bad technique.

It used to be when I got home that I was called that, but I divorced her.