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ScreamingEmu 08-22-2008 07:35 AM

I used to get all ****ed at myself when i had a bad one, but now I'm happy I just haven't broken anything yet.

ryan1234 08-22-2008 08:09 AM

this video should make you feel better
YouTube - BAE-146 Bad Landing in London

PittsburghDude 08-22-2008 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by ryan1234 (Post 448097)
this video should make you feel better
YouTube - BAE-146 Bad Landing in London


man thats hard to watch

captscott26 08-22-2008 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by cessna157 (Post 342560)
My callout upon completion of a firm touchdown:
"Found the runway!"
or
"That stupid runway got in the way of my descent"


How about mine....

"Take that(insert city name here)!"

STILL GROUNDED 08-22-2008 09:14 AM

I stuck the Jungle Bus in Philly the other day, landing 27L because they were actually picking up trash on 27r, who'd of thought, in Philly even. Anyhow, go home leg, different runway, gotta get the first high speed or go all the way around to spot 1. 50...40..30.2010 ugh!!! If you didn't break it, it probably wasn't any worse than many others. Like everyone else you worry about it when you're new.

cessna157 08-22-2008 11:09 AM

I always like the GPWS callouts:
"50.....40.....30.....10" (I think of SpaceBalls every time this happens)

Or

"50....40....SINK RATE......20....10"

DamonMeyer 08-22-2008 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by cessna157 (Post 448228)
I always like the GPWS callouts:
"50.....40.....30.....10" (I think of SpaceBalls every time this happens)

Or

"50....40....SINK RATE......20....10"

Question: on a typical GPWS, does the sink rate callout get more sensitive the closer you are to the ground? Does it use some kind of rule like "if your altitude is X and your sink rate is X*2 fpm" then "SINK RATE!"?

cessna157 08-22-2008 12:25 PM

Other than your formula, yes. The vertical speed alert threshold varies with RA readout.

CRJDriver 08-22-2008 12:31 PM

I try to ram it into the ground as hard as I can, I can actually make it go... 30..20..10...bam!...20..30..40...10..bam! :D

Boomer 08-22-2008 01:56 PM


Originally Posted by buffalopilot (Post 342550)
Been at chautauqua for almost a year, never had any real problems landing. Last week, VFR, light to no winds at IND, some reason was too late on the flare and bam, I thought I lost wings. One passenger made a comment when deplaning. Feeling pretty bad about this, anyone had the same thing happen?

Yes, all the time when I nonrev on Chautauqua.

fjetter 08-22-2008 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by rogerwilcoout (Post 448071)
Werent you the pilot that did that to me in the Herc when I was a paratrooper at Bragg? Lol Yeah, u r right. Don't burn up the rw for the perfect landing. Bad technique.

Paratrooper?? Why are you concerned about landings? You shouldn't even still be in the airplane!!!:D

Sorry, just couldn't resist the irony

Noseeums 08-22-2008 02:34 PM

What is this "flare" you all speak of?

:D

rogerwilcoout 08-22-2008 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by fjetter (Post 448373)
Paratrooper?? Why are you concerned about landings? You shouldn't even still be in the airplane!!!:D

Sorry, just couldn't resist the irony

lol too many landings on my head. Hell, I dont even know when to flare until the captain screams at me !

PiperDriver 08-22-2008 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by buffalopilot (Post 342550)
Been at chautauqua for almost a year, never had any real problems landing. Last week, VFR, light to no winds at IND, some reason was too late on the flare and bam, I thought I lost wings. One passenger made a comment when deplaning. Feeling pretty bad about this, anyone had the same thing happen? I know no one will fly perfect all the time, but man, that was terrible.

"A 'good' landing is one from which you can walk away. A 'great' landing is one after which they can use the plane again."

I am sure yours was the first one

Fly Safe

Fly Gal 08-22-2008 05:46 PM

You should apply at WN. All of our landings are hard.:D

Nightsky 08-22-2008 05:58 PM

I've made more than my fair share. And of course they garner smart ass remarks from the wal mart shoppers in back. Two times, they were really insulting, and those two times I responded in kind. One reply was "You get what you pay for, now you'll remember to tip next time!", then the other "I'd like to see you try it!". I used to try to grease 'em on, anymore though I couldn't care less as long as nothing is dangling by only a wire afterwards.

USMC3197 08-22-2008 07:43 PM


Originally Posted by ryan1234 (Post 448097)
this video should make you feel better
YouTube - BAE-146 Bad Landing in London

my back hurts now...

mike734 08-22-2008 07:52 PM

If a pax says something about it just point to your partner and say, "It wasn't his fault and it wasn't my fault. It must have been the asphalt."

USMC3197 08-22-2008 07:53 PM

Happened to me 3 months ago... Capt called me out told the passengers that i promised a smooth landing. I tried to flare but was trying to make it slow and smooth so not to float... well... I was too slow and then BANG!!! Capt was laughing his butt off and told me to go say thank you to the passengers as they disembarked. Had all kinda comments, one guy said "great landing but next time ask your company to use rubber wheels instead of wooden ones. Another came up shook my hand said he was a retired airline pilot and knows what it is like when a Capt throws you under the gun. It was our last leg on the trip and when I was walking through the terminal to commute home I had other passengers come up to me from our flight and make more comments. One week later, again as I was getting on a plane to go home, a passenger in 1st class saw me and said "hey! arnt you the one that flew into ATL from (I don't remember where now) and had that hard landing when the capt said you promised a soft one!?" I just smiled and said yes.

Washout 08-23-2008 12:46 AM


Originally Posted by CRJDriver (Post 448281)
I try to ram it into the ground as hard as I can, I can actually make it go... 30..20..10...bam!...20..30..40...10..bam! :D


CRJDriver who is the avatar?

usmc-sgt 08-23-2008 02:34 AM

I have told pax that the autoland has problems compensating for gusty crosswinds......in the Q400.....on a calm day.


They dont know any better.

TheProfessionalPilot 08-24-2008 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by soon2bfo (Post 342578)
My favorite was a leg to Charlotte when the CA smacked it on he said, "take that Charlotte!"

A long time ago when I really did a bad job with a crosswind a nice little old lady deplaning said, "The pilot needs to learn how to land". She looked so sweet too. The CA was laughing about it for the rest of the trip. After a few positive compliments from pax on later landings and some therapy I got over it.

LoL that's awesome!!!! ROFL

Windsor 08-25-2008 10:56 AM

In DTW the other week I watched a NW A330 make several awesome landings. Upon the first touchdown, two huge explosions of white smoke came billowing out from the mains, followed quickly by rather alarming flapping of the wings as the lift unloaded and then quickly re-loaded for the second part of the landing. After smacking the earth and the earth smacking back, the big bus floated back into the air so that the pilot may get another shot at measuring a reading on the Richter Scale. Having floated down the runway for a few thousand feet in search of terra firma again, the pilot must have really wanted to get the plane on the ground for real this time because again, two huge explosions of smoke and the flapping of the wings. I didnt have the heart to make a comment on the radio, but someone else did, "Any chance you are both going to log that one?" They didnt reply.

tangoindia 08-26-2008 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 448333)
Yes, all the time when I nonrev on Chautauqua.


LMAO...I don't now why, but that was funny.:D

soontobfurlough 08-27-2008 04:34 AM

My best greasers are when the conditions are iffy...when it's calm I think I let my guard down and I tend to relax a bit too much...usually illicits the response from the captain along the lines of "Well, we're here" or "Are you trying to get current on night landings?" or even "The second landing was better."

Dan64456 08-27-2008 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by buffalopilot (Post 342550)
Been at chautauqua for almost a year, never had any real problems landing. Last week, VFR, light to no winds at IND, some reason was too late on the flare and bam, I thought I lost wings. One passenger made a comment when deplaning. Feeling pretty bad about this, anyone had the same thing happen? I know no one will fly perfect all the time, but man, that was terrible.

Didn't break any landing gear or lose any engines? No stress marks on the fuselage or wings? Then who cares! Your fine.

joepilot 08-27-2008 12:43 PM

A few years ago, (before airlines hired female pilots), we were waiting in line for takeoff at LAX. A female F/A was up in the cockpit chatting when Delta came in and really pasted it on. The Captain gave the F/A the mike and told her what to say: "Gee, you Delta girls sure are lucky! Our pilots won't let us land the airplane."

Joe


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