Not arguing; but I have been asked numerous times when in the jump seat during just normal convo how far along in training i was. So its very clear I havent completed a SIC ride, and nothing has ever been said.

 

As I said earlier.....maybe some Captains don't understand the reg's.

Once again, read the FOM and 14 CFR 121. I'm not arguing, just stating the facts.

If you can get on the jumpseat.....great, but do it at your own risk (and jeopardize the Captain's career). HOWEVER, be prepared to answer some tough questions if the right TSA or FSDO person asks for your crewmember credentials. A commercial-multi ticket doesn't qualify you as a crewmember.....and niether does attending 121 training. Pass the SIC ride and you get the golden key to the flight deck.

 

Just curious, if that is the case then how is it possible for interns to jumpseat?

 

Don't know...........again, maybe the Captain doesn't fully understand the reg's????

Don't get me wrong......I think it is great that you guys are jumpseating and gaining experience. All I am trying to say is that it isn't suppose to happen until you are a crewmember (post checkride). If you do it and get away with it, then fine. But there are serious consequences if you are caught!

Just my two cents! Interpret as you wish, but good luck!

 

Here's what cubflyer left out for those of you who want the whole story.

(2) An FAA air carrier inspector, a DOD commercial air carrier evaluator, or an authorized representative of the National Transportation Safety Board, who is performing official duties;

(3) Any person who—

(i) Has permission of the pilot in command, an appropriate management official of the part 119 certificate holder, and the Administrator; and

(ii) Is an employee of—

(A) The United States, or

(B) A part 119 certificate holder and whose duties are such that admission to the flightdeck is necessary or advantageous for safe operation; or

(C) An aeronautical enterprise certificated by the Administrator and whose duties are such that admission to the flightdeck is necessary or advantageous for safe operation.

(4) Any person who has the permission of the pilot in command, an appropriate management official of the part 119 certificate holder and the Administrator. Paragraph (a)(2) of this section does not limit the emergency authority of the pilot in command to exclude any person from the flightdeck in the interests of safety.

(b) For the purposes of paragraph (a)(3) of this section, employees of the United States who deal responsibly with matters relating to safety and employees of the certificate holder whose efficiency would be increased by familiarity with flight conditions, may be admitted by the certificate holder. However, the certificate holder may not admit employees of traffic, sales, or other departments that are not directly related to flight operations, unless they are eligible under paragraph (a)(4) of this section.

(c) No person may admit any person to the flight deck unless there is a seat available for his use in the passenger compartment, except—

(1) An FAA air carrier inspector, a DOD commercial air carrier evaluator, or authorized representative of the Administrator or National Transportation Safety Board who is checking or observing flight operations;

(2) An air traffic controller who is authorized by the Administrator to observe ATC procedures;

(3) A certificated airman employed by the certificate holder whose duties require an airman certificate;

(4) A certificated airman employed by another part 119 certificate holder whose duties with that part 119 certificate holder require an airman certificate and who is authorized by the part 119 certificate holder operating the aircraft to make specific trips over a route;

(5) An employee of the part 119 certificate holder operating the aircraft whose duty is directly related to the conduct or planning of flight operations or the in-flight monitoring of aircraft equipment or operating procedures, if his presence on the flightdeck is necessary to perform his duties and he has been authorized in writing by a responsible supervisor, listed in the Operations Manual as having that authority; and

(6) A technical representative of the manufacturer of the aircraft or its components whose duties are directly related to the in-flight monitoring of aircraft equipment or operating procedures, if his presence on the flightdeck is necessary to perform his duties and he has been authorized in writing by the Administrator and by a responsible supervisor of the operations department of the part 119 certificate holder, listed in the Operations Manual as having that authority.

That seems pretty clear to me.

 

I was thinking the same thing. I have a buddy who JSed all over this country with Continental.

 

Over at HK we were given a little J/S advice:

Don't go jumpseating until you have the ability to give the ride to someone else. I think we are supposed to be in cass right as you start IOE although I'm sure most from my class were in by systems though.

 

Usually it takes a couple of weeks to be put into CASS. Maybe your friends were js on their own carrier's ac? Pretty sure that's okay but I don't think a trainee/intern can jumpseat on a different carrier's plane. Our companies take care of their own. (Kinda, in a sick sort of way) Just my .02, I could be wrong. Good luck in training though

 

Playing devil's advocate here........does this mean I can admit my neighbor to the flight deck?

Once again, REFER TO THE FOM. It is clear.

 

Yeah sure... if your neighbor is approved by the PIC, a management official, and the Administrator.