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Old 03-28-2008 | 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
Any way you cut it T-Props aren't going anywhere, they're just way to efficient.
Yes, to a point.

Here's some more numbers (all average):

Horizon Q400
Pounds/hr: 2130
Speed: 262

Horizon -700
Pounds/hr: 2190
Speed: 351

Almost the same average fuel burn for going 33% faster. Turboprops are great for short hops but there is a reason the airlines don't use them on transcons .
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Old 03-28-2008 | 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by fosters
Yes, to a point.

Here's some more numbers (all average):

Horizon Q400
Pounds/hr: 2130
Speed: 262

Horizon -700
Pounds/hr: 2190
Speed: 351

Almost the same average fuel burn for going 33% faster (therefore 33% less fuel burn). Turboprops are great for short hops but there is a reason the airlines don't use them on transcons .
Yes, I agree.

T-Props are for hops less than 1.5 hours. Jets when compared to the same shorts routes are extremely inefficient. Just run the numbers for the CR9 between ATL and GSP then compare it to a Q400 on a similar short hope. (compare the CR9 to the Q4 because there are basically configured for the same number of seats)

BTW, we usually burn about 3000-3600 lbs of fuel between ATL and GSP (25 minute FLT).

We all know that on longer routes Jet are more efficient but when it comes to 400 miles or less, props will almost always win out.

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Old 03-28-2008 | 06:44 AM
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Have a good day all, I'm taking my little girl to the Zoo. Today she turns 2, it's sunny and 75 here in ATL. It's going to be a great day.

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Old 03-28-2008 | 06:46 AM
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I don't know what the numbers are personally. That would require quite a bit of math and guessing, and also be operationally dependent. For example in the NE where you generally are kept lower and brought down from altitude further out and slowed the requirements would be different than out west where a jet can climb up to altitude quickly and then do an idle decent down at normal speed.
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Old 03-28-2008 | 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
Have a good day all, I'm taking by little girl to the Zoo. Today she turns 2 and it's sunny and 75 here in ATL. It's going to be a great day.
Happy Birthday to your little girl. Have fun at the zoo, I can never get my niece away from the giraffes. Those are her favorite.
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Old 03-28-2008 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by fosters
Yes, to a point.

Here's some more numbers (all average):

Horizon Q400
Pounds/hr: 2130
Speed: 262

Horizon -700
Pounds/hr: 2190
Speed: 351

Almost the same average fuel burn for going 33% faster. Turboprops are great for short hops but there is a reason the airlines don't use them on transcons .
Is that why QX is contemplating getting rid of the -700 and sticking with an all Q400 fleet?
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Old 03-28-2008 | 11:46 AM
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not to rain on any ones parade,
http://se.yhp.waymaker.net/sasgroup/....asp?id=155746

maybe some problems can be fixed like any other machine, but is it worth the risk??? SAS doesn't think so.
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Old 03-28-2008 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by mmaviator
not to rain on any ones parade,
http://se.yhp.waymaker.net/sasgroup/....asp?id=155746

maybe some problems can be fixed like any other machine, but is it worth the risk??? SAS doesn't think so.
Well, I know nothing about dash 8 but SAS got rid of them after the landing where the gear collapsed - the passangers were refusing to book flights if the flight was on that plane...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Lx6IpmPh2P8

Btw, I noticed the flag in your avatar - have they switched to in Slovenia?
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Old 03-28-2008 | 12:35 PM
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they are part of the EU now and almost everything is switched to that currency.
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Old 03-28-2008 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by fosters
That's an average ground speed over the entire leg, block to block. It includes time sitting and taxing. So that's why it's "low".
AHHH I didnt think it included ground and taxi time. That makes sense then.
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