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04-17-2008 | 10:27 AM

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KiloAlpha

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Originally Posted by rickair7777

Yeah, that's the real gem here.

Fatigue. We ALL make mistakes, they just usually don't bite us in the butt.

04-17-2008 | 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Tinpusher007

On side note, I have noticed that it takes quite a while for spool up to max reverse on the E-Jets. Can anyone who flies them confirm this?

Yes they take a while to spin up. When I moderately use the brakes, it seems I am coming out of reverse seconds after they finally get to max n1. Lately I haven't even really been using max reverse, just popping the cascades and leave them at idle-min reverse

04-17-2008 | 10:32 AM

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04-17-2008 | 12:10 PM

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One of the most discouraging things that happens out there today is pressure to fly fatigued. Unacceptable and the unions need to step it up on this one. Mesa does it, I didn't know that Republic stooped to this level.

Enough with doctors notes and calls from the chief pilot. Peoples lives are at stake, more than fines for a delayed flight.

Don't fly fatiged guys and don't take any pressure from management. If you do, contact the FAA and your union immediately. We really need to send a clear message to management that pilots will not fly fatigued and that our own indications of health and rest are good enough; no need for doctors notes or follow up CP calls.

Stick together on this one guys.

04-17-2008 | 02:10 PM

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Agreed. When speaking about Professional Pilots, doctor's notes are completely unacceptable. Last time I checked, that nonsense ended in Middle School.

04-17-2008 | 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by KiloAlpha

Fatigue. We ALL make mistakes, they just usually don't bite us in the butt.

Oh, come on. Honest mistakes, sure. But you can't call flying a non-existant GS to DA an honest mistake...unless the airplane in question provides a VNAV GS which is not distinguishable from a raw-data GS.

While I agree that fatigue is a big issue in general, and in this case in particular, it is unlikely to have had anything to do with the GS decision.

04-17-2008 | 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by rickair7777

unless the airplane in question provides a VNAV GS which is not distinguishable from a raw-data GS.

Depends on the equipment set up, which nav mode you were in, as well as how you programmed the perf init.

On the last VNAV equipped aircraft I flew, you could see the FMS/VNAV generated GS and the conventional VHF GS as the same time if you chose. They were not always coincident.