rickair7777

Numerous problems here, numerous opportunities to break the chain...

http://www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/2008/AAR0801.htm

ToiletDuck

I'm hoping now the company won't punish us if we call in sick.

contrails

I'm hoping when a bunch of us send this to the media, the FAA gets lots of negative press for ignoring NTSB recommendations year after year.

Who's in?

USMCFLYR

There was a thread on this very question sometime ago. Basically the question was what do you (the FO) do when the CA continues the approach below minimums (interview question). Seems from this report that the NTSB has their opinion.

"6. When the captain called for a go-around because he could not see the runway environment, the first officer should have immediately executed a missed approach regardless of whether he had the runway in sight.
7. When the first officer did not immediately execute a missed approach, as instructed, the captain should have reasserted his go-around call or, if necessary, taken control of the airplane."

I remember one the strongest opinions on this forum was **against** taking the controls.

"17. Both flying and monitoring pilots should be able to call for a go-around because one pilot might detect a potentially unsafe condition that the other pilot does not detect. "

Also - in 121 operations - even if the FO in this case had the runway in sight and the captain calls for a GA because he does not have the runway environment in sight then a GA shall be executed? Is this SOP at many airlines? If any one calls for a missed approach then one is required regardless of the reason or who called it? I can understand this - it works the same way on the aircraft carrier; there are numerous LSOs who can called for the waveoff.

USMCFLYR

ERJ135

I thought the last lines were interesting, about what SA failed to do with their policies.

ToiletDuck

It was obviously pilot error there's no surprise there. I'm just glad they finally shed a little light on how the company treats you if you call in sick or fatigued.

HercDriver130

Buck stops with the crew...HOWEVER...glad the NTSB cited the fear of company reprisal for calling in fatigued as a factor in the accident.

rorwizard

What is SA's policy on calling in fatigued/sick?

HercDriver130

policy and reality are TWO different animals.

MatthewAMEL

At Republic, any sick call is an "occurence". Get too many per calendar year, and you can be terminated. Other "occurence" worthy items are late show, UNA's when on RSV and so forth. A "No-call/No-show" is worth 4.

A fatigue call is not supposed to be an occurence, but you WILL get a phone call from the Chief Pilot who will tell you that you MUST take the flight. They make every attempt to bully you to stay in the seat and complete the flight. The scheduler will also "conveniently" code the call as UNA and that stays as an occurence until you convince the CP or DO to change it to a fatigue call.

The IBT (union) has said they are powerless to do anything to stop the occurence policy. (this is after losing an arbitration on a similar issue)

Calling in sick at Republic results in the Crew Scheduler telling you that you are going to need a Dr.'s note. W*T*F?