Precisely.

I mean, every added airplane and route is good for us, it adds to job security, etc. But, with airline politics as complex as they are now, no single decision will not result in some group being upset about it. The airlines are bleeding money, so they give the flying to someone else who can do it cheaper. That sounds like a good decision to me. But, it screws over the Eagle guys, sort of helps out the TSA guys. But even so, the managements are running this show, not the crews.

See that's where the confusion comes into play. You realize that routes that AA and Eagle fly are old TWA and TWE routes, right? Those were TSA's routes, and AA is giving some to us. True, we do it cheaper, but so does CHQ.

GoJet on the otherhand was created to undercut a pilot group in pay and QOL. We didn't do that to Eagle pilots though

But that flying is being done in EAGLE airplanes. We have no problem that you are flying old TWE routes, just that you are doing it in our airplanes rather than your own. I know its not the pilot groups fault but it still pretty crappy what is being done and with the threat of furloughs here at Eagle a lot of guys are not happy that our planes are being leased to a competitor.

Additionally, in accordance with scope and contract clauses, Connection is not suppose to operate out of MIA, only STL. The company is knowingly violating this and ALPA allowed it because the company (about 2 months ago) claimed that we needed those planes doing the MIA flying so we could expand ORD and DFW flying. This is kind of like us, taking our planes and flying them as CO Express or Delta Conn. We arent allowed to do this, and at the same time the company is not allowed to give out MIA flying to TSA/CHQ guys. Of course we are ****ed. And granted, it is not the TSA crew's faults, however, dont blame us for disliking your company on the whole. Its the way things work.

This is so stupid. The airplane is a piece of metal. If you leased your old car to someone and they drive it to go bang your ex girlfriend that dumped you, does that mean that if he drove another vehicle to your -ex's house that its OK?

So what if we got the Eagle planes and flew them on our TDub routes, and then used our Swissair birds to do the MIA flying? Would that be OK?

Plus, we are paying you to operate these airplanes. It isn't like we jacked them from you.

But, I do get the point. It would suck, no question.

I think that's a poor shot at creating an analogy but whatever.

It's not like I went to TSA and said "Hey come lease these Eagle airplanes."

The point behind it is that its BS that guys here, myself included, are looking at being on the street come fall while airplanes that are owned by Eagle are leased to a competitor. It's a violation of our scope clause. Now I will give you the fact that the company won that grievance because Eagle was in a time of "significant growth" and couldn't staff the airplanes at the time. Well if guys here are furloughed that becomes erroneous. That is the issue at hand.

Maybe so.

Can you find the exact scope clause wording? I'd like to see it if possible.

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You aren't the only people worrying about furloughs. Talk to our 22 downgrades and the guys who could be getting furloughed soon. Still doesn't make it right that you guys are acting like five year olds who can't have candy in the checkout line at the grocery store.

Last I remember, a few months ago Eagle couldn't staff their airplanes, and they had 100+ FO vacancies for ORD or something crazy like that anyway.

And we're looking at furloughs at TSA as a possibility as well

we're all pilots bro

we complain how heavy the bags of money you give us are as well