Guys...

Here's what I posted on eaglelounge.com as to the question of how Eagle pilots should be treating the TSA pilots.

I would hope that you would treat these pilots just as you would like to be treated - like professional aviators.

Our problem is not with them. It is with AA and AE management who don't see a problem with furloughing their own employees while outsourcing jobs to another company.

It seems clear that they seem intent on positioning themselves for 2013 so as not to have only one provider of regional feed. CEO Arpey and CFO Horton have virtually spelled this out in so many words. Horton, by the way, was the one who crafted the Expressjet deal with CAL. You might deduce what his intentions might be for the Eagle pilot group.

For now, ALPA is working with an outside law firm, specialists in airline scope cases, on our grievance on the TSA flying. We have a case because they are using our very own planes. But, even if we are successful in the TSA case, what would stop AMR from inviting some other XYZ regional to perform our flying?

Our scope contract language covers flying by American Eagle Airlines - not by AMR.

We certainly won't let this go by quietly, though. We may need the combined help of the entire pilot group in the next few weeks.

Capt. Rich Krutenat
MEC Communications Chairman

FOR THE RECORD:
According to statistics from our own management, Eagle pilots are as productive or more productive as any other regional airline pilot group. Eagle pilots have excelled at implementing our fuel savings programs. Eagle is just as competetive as TSA in that AMR pays exactly the same price for both airlines to perform the regional feed function. Eagle's profits are lower, because our costs are higher, but it is not true that "TSA does it cheaper" - at least not from AMR's perspective.

Quit whining about someone giving you a dirty look. High school ended a while back and I'm not sure if you have figured this out yet, not everyone has to like you and some people will hate you for no reason. Get over it, go to work, and shut up.

Something I was thinking about while I was sitting on the "back of the Bus" on my way to Chicago tonight:

Eagle ALPA has had a serious issue with the AMR owned airplanes being operated by Connection. It has gone to an arbitrator and my understanding is that the arbitrator ruled on the side of AMR that because Eagle could not staff the airplanes, the resource should be operated by whoever could staff them (Connection). If I worked for TSA anywhere near the bottom of the list, this would have be a little concerned.

Perhaps (PERHAPS) mgmt had a point that we couldn't staff the airplanes and that they needed the lift, so someone else should fly the planes.

Mgmt used the same staffing excuse when shifting flying in MIA from ORD based Eagle pilots to Connection (why they didn't try to reallocate staff from BOS or LGA is somewhat suspect but i digress).

NOW we have a situation where AMR is parking eagle airplanes and publicly talking about 230+ furloughs. Clearly the staffing situation is fixed with no saabs in the air so the arbitrator will likely side with ALPA and say that since eagle has staffing, they can operate the leased EMBs.


EGL ALPA seems to be committed to fighting this fight so you folks at TSA might want to get your MEC thinking. If the arbitrator rules in Eagle's favor, you very well might be in a situation in which Eagle takes back the MIA flying and the 10 airplanes. All of us stand to loose from this situation, ALL OF US!


Capt. Rich Krutenat is right, its not the "boys from Missouri" doing this, its Uncle Hulas and Herr Arpy. If an AE pilot treats you like scum, I personally apologize. I understand where they come from but we are doing exactly what management wants us to do. If we treat each other with respect and convince our ALPAs to work together for the common good we can beat mgmt at their own game.

Sorry for the rambling, its getting late and I have to be up at 4...Take care and fly safe all!

Fellas, I'd be pi**ed too but your problem is with management. I believe most guys understand this. As previously stated it is your company that is screwing you guys not TSA pilots. I've got a few buds down in MIA and all of them are focusing their energy at management and not fellow pilot groups.

if we didnt have a "no strike" clause, this would be struck flying.

but you do, so its not.

but the point is still valid.

hey TSA guys, what exactly has the MIA guys been doing anyways?

nice avatar, btw.

i havent been to MIA yet, i asked this same question of the original poster MANY posts ago. but seriously, relax on the struck flying. it's not struck flying, we are not crossing any picket line, and we really can't do anything about it. its not our fight. in all seriousness, i hope you guys win and get it back. a win vs. mngmnt for any pilot group is a win for all of us. but at the same time, i will not not be chastised in MIA for doing my job, if anything is even going on.

Seriously! Who cares? If someone is rude to you, then that is their problem. If I walk by an ASA pilot (just using an example because I like ASA) and he snubs me or gives me the stink eye, crook eye, or evil eye, then I'll carry on. The next time I walk by an ASA pilot, I'll still tell him/her hello or give the "how u doin'" nod.

There is no reason to get upset with TSA guys. NONE! They have about as much control over their flying as Eagle pilots are able to control theirs.

Chautauqua guys often get treated poorly here in CVG by Comair guys. The Chautuaqua pilots had absolutely nothing to do with the flying that DELTA gave them at our expense. I don't fault the Chautauqua pilots. I vent my anger and frustration towards management.

If you guys are indeed treating the TSA guys poorly, then AMR management has won and they have you exactly where they want you. They successfully put one pilot group against another. This is the doing of AMR management, not TSA!