Yeah I think we were arguing different topics for a bit there. I agree that it shouldnt be your primary guide...just like with the gleim it makes life so much easier to know the info behind the question rather than just knowing answers.

That was the whole point of my comments. It seemed others were more concerned with the fact there was a tattletale who "narced" on his "fellow" pilots. Those that would consider these "pilots" as someone worthwhile and worthy of defense are just as warped as the room full of idiots who demonstrated their unfitness to accept the responsibilities this job requires..............or used to require.

So you are taking the said written test, and know that failure of this test will result in your termination from the company. One of your classmates comes to you and hands you a copy of the test. You're saying you wouldnt look at it and throw it away? .. And maybe even let the instructor know of this atrocity that your classmate/s have commited?

You are doling out some pretty harsh judgements/punishments to a group of pilots you don't know, don't you think? Yes, if they were really cheating there should be repurcussions. However, don't tell me that you have never done the slightest thing wrong (if you haven't then kudos to you). Some of these guys could have just been caught up in a study group where the test was, saw it briefly and possibly augmented their proficient knowledge with what they thought was a study aid. I don't know so I am not saying how it happened but let's at least give them a little benefit before throwing their careers away.

Bad form.

It comes down to ethics and character. And something like cheating on a test in your chosen field should be seen as at best unprofessional and at worst, downright scary.

I definitely don't want to be in the backseat of a jet flown by someone who never learned the aircraft systems! Have some pride in yourself and your job. Do it right.

I wouldn't accept the test. Even if I was looking to cheat on the test, I wouldn't know the accuracy or source of the old test and could end up wasting my time. I'm not going to rat out my classmate either. I live my life by my moral code and he is welcome to live by his. Like I said before, the numerous levels of testing during airline training have done a pretty good job so far of weeding out the incompetent pilots, so this classmate may or may not end up as one of those. I've worked hard for everything I've accomplished in school, flying, and life, so I'll just continue to do that.

And I agree with what was said about the circumstances over how some of the pilots saw the old test. If a pilot were to have inadvertently seen some material that he shouldn't have seen, there's always the option of going to someone in the training department and letting them know that you saw something you shouldn't have at a study group or whatever, but you don't reveal any names. That wouldn't be my first course of action, but it certainly is better than just ratting everyone else out.

WOW !!!!!

Someone gets it.

That's what I'm saying........I wouldn't look at it.

If I fail the test, it means I either didn't study to the point I felt I'd mastered the knowledge or I didn't have the aptitude for the job. If I got to the point I had to cheat by using a "borrowed" copy of the answers then I'd deserve everything I had coming.

I guess you and I have different ethical compasses. Mine points north properly, wheras your statement above seems to indicate yours seems to point where you want it to, when you want it to to serve your immeadiate best interests.

Then the regional airline is not testing it product before putting it out on the market. If you think a written systems test fully demonstrates knowledge of the systems and procedures I think that is a faulty sense of logic.

We have all taken many orals in our careers and safe to say the oral is usually more stressful than the flight. It is an essential part of the training process to demonstrate what you know and how deep you know the subject.

An airline not doing a checkride oral is setting themselves up for possible problems.

Never would accept it. Not cheating is something I pride myself on and allows me to look at myself in the mirror. I know that everything in which I have succeeded, and failed, is my own effort. Sad that more people don't feel this way.

It's not a "holier than thou" thing. It's a moral compass thing. Cheaters will always find ways to justify their actions, and excuses for their shortcomings.