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nicholasblonde 06-10-2008 07:36 AM

Has anyone considered that this might have something to do with the chair of the House Transportation Cmte (Oberstar), from Minnesota (NWA), asking the DOJ to halt the merger...news which was released Monday around 10AM? And then, within 24 hours, you have an announcement that Delta is pulling 9Es contract?

Maybe these things are completely unrelated, but the timing makes me wonder.

And for those of you who think this has something to do with contract negotiations, I would think mgmt would use this as a way to stall even longer...I can see the Seal memo now: "These are hard times and we all have to make sacrifices, our pilots are no exception...yada yada yada."

Past V1 06-10-2008 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by Airsupport (Post 401322)
ha... interesting thought... sounds like more smoke and mirrors to me!


I know right....YOU CAN'T SIT THERE AND TELL ME THAT BIG BAD DELTA IS GONNA LET MESA WIN RIGHT.....Ok this is all game that corporate america has to play in order to make things look right in front of the judge....ok....The big picture...and yes is sounds like the conspiracy therory BUT....Delta trys to cancel Mesa....Deltas lawyers and CEOS know that Mesa just not going to walk away so they are ready know that Mesa is going to come back with a fight which they did....now does Delta have enough juice to SQUEEZE Mesa out every little penny in court...you know it...BUT they let them walk.....SO...PNCL along with Phil and his cronies come to Delta and say "oh please big Delta we wanna be on your team we are already spending MILLIONS on a plane and we want to use them" SO they cancel PNCL contract....There is already a date of which we are "supposed" so stop flying them...July 31st I believe...which if I remember...there was no date associated with the Freedom cancel....please correct me if I am wrong!....In mean time PNCL is in contract talks with the union RIGHT NOW and remember that the whole reason that PNCL lost their planes to Mesaba is because "the pilots didn't have a contract"....NOW PNCL can say "look NWA we have a pilot contract now!!!"......PUNKS.....and NW will say "will now start replacing your 50 seat jets with those 900's you are getting.....whoopty doooo!!!"....Corporate GAMES....I used to be one....not in the airlines...but in other businesses....you can see right through this one though

Ok I am done rampaging on my keyboard!!!! There are my 2 cents....take them if you want them!!!!

rducky 06-10-2008 07:43 AM

My only response to this news is hogwash.....Our crews that fly our CRJ900 do everything possible to keep our performance as good as can be...I personally believe DAL wanted us to fail from the get go but that is only my opinion...

Past V1 06-10-2008 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by rducky (Post 401343)
My only response to this news is hogwash.....Our crews that fly our CRJ900 do everything possible to keep our performance as good as can be...I personally believe DAL wanted us to fail from the get go but that is only my opinion...

Of course...if you read the press release "It said the operational schedule created by Delta is a key factor affecting on-time performance." Cmon...I know you guys are smart enough to fly planes so you are smart enough to read through the lines....YOU GUYS WERE SET UP TO FAIL....in order to justify what I said in my previous post....GAMES!!!

I hate to say....but I have said before....we are all pawns in this chess game of corporate america!!!!

NWA320pilot 06-10-2008 07:46 AM

I don't have Pinnacle's on time performance but I can say that I use them to commute to and from DTW almost every week and I can honestly say that their on time performance on the flights I have been on is terrible. I would say that less than 20% arrive within 15 minutes and less than 1% arrive at or prior to scheduled arrival. Then once you are at the gate it takes another 5-15 minutes just to get parked!

nicholasblonde 06-10-2008 07:49 AM

Rducky are you an idiot? Companies don't sign a contract for 16 planes "wanting them to fail." They wouldn't waste their time signing something unless they thought it would somehow contribute to their bottom line.

And btw nice logo...how 'bout an ALPA one instead bro? Or are you a "company pilot?"

XJPILOT1 06-10-2008 07:51 AM

Are all of you blind? Delta is beginning to dump all it's regionals. Comair and Mesaba will win out this time. Two words, "wholly owned".

flyguy19348 06-10-2008 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 401249)
That fight hasn't even gotten started yet. The court only said that DL couldn't terminate the contract until Mesa gets to have their lawsuit heard. You really need to read beyond just the headlines.

Exactly sometimes people crack me up....I love the threads that say Mesa WINS!....they are a long way from winning, and I would also say that Delta has a fairly good team of lawyers, and if they are pulling this on PNCL then they must think the Mesa thing will hold. just my opinion.

nicholasblonde 06-10-2008 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by NWA320pilot (Post 401350)
I don't have Pinnacle's on time performance but I can say that I use them to commute to and from DTW almost every week and I can honestly say that their on time performance on the flights I have been on is terrible. I would say that less than 20% arrive within 15 minutes and less than 1% arrive at or prior to scheduled arrival. Then once you are at the gate it takes another 5-15 minutes just to get parked!

Blame Mesaba ops!!!

Past V1 06-10-2008 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by XJPILOT1 (Post 401358)
Are all of you blind? Delta is beginning to dump all it's regionals. Comair and Mesaba will win out this time. Two words, "wholly owned".

Are you kidding dude....Why is it profitable for an airline to "wholly own" as you say an airline when they can subcontract "for cheaper" (by the way those are my two words)....Mesaba and Compass WILL be sold Like pinnacle was and Comair will be sold too....Delta has already stated that...they are just waiting for the market to jump back up and sell it for top dollar....WAKE UP!!!


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