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nicholasblonde 06-10-2008 07:56 AM

Yeah...wholly owned carriers are SO safe. Oh wait, I almost forgot about the historical beating taken by Mesaba and Comair by their abusive parents.

SmoothLanderJ 06-10-2008 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by nicholasblonde (Post 401361)
Blame Mesaba ops!!!

Ahh, come on now!!!!.............is that the real reason???

nicholasblonde 06-10-2008 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by SmoothLanderJ (Post 401366)
Ahh, come on now!!!!.............is that the real reason???

Uhh...crew sched and dispatch and mx?

RJtrashPilot 06-10-2008 07:57 AM

Pinnacle Pilots:

I can sympathize with you. Your management is going to blame this on you, even though it is their failure. We at Comair played this same game just a year or two ago while we were in contract negotiations, however ours was under the threat of bankruptcy and an 1113 process to have our contract tossed. When we lost 30+ airplanes and even more through a sham RFP that stripped us of 16 CRJ 700s, it did not help our contract situation. We, the pilots, were blamed for that and the company spun it in a way that made the rest of the employee groups hate us.

Please know that this is not the pilots fault, as much as your management probably will tell you it is. It is their failure, however, unfortunately YOU will pay the ultimate price with your quality of life, or jobs, for THEIR failure. You have done all you can in flying from Point A to Point B as safely as possible. It is management's responsibility to staff the airline properly, have the aircraft in good working condition and provide crews with the tools they need to operate safely, and if at all possible, on time.

If, ultimately, you see ASA or Comair or Skywest or Shuttle America flying airplanes on routes that you used to fly, do not blame the pilots flying those airplanes. Vent all of your frustration towards your management and toward Delta management. Those pilots have just as much control over that flying as you did.

Someone once told me that "The best friend that an airline pilot has is another airline pilot." I happen to agree with that statement. Management, however, knows this and often tries to exploit that notion and divide pilot groups amongst each other by "whipsawing" one group against another. If we allow this to happen, then they have ultimately won.

Good luck to all of you at Pinnacle and all of us in the industry.

mooney 06-10-2008 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by NWA320pilot (Post 401350)
I don't have Pinnacle's on time performance but I can say that I use them to commute to and from DTW almost every week and I can honestly say that their on time performance on the flights I have been on is terrible. I would say that less than 20% arrive within 15 minutes and less than 1% arrive at or prior to scheduled arrival. Then once you are at the gate it takes another 5-15 minutes just to get parked!

however, that's Mesaba's and NWA's fault, not Pinnacle's. That's what happens when your Pappa Bear (NWA) forces you to use your competitor's ground crew :confused:

Past V1 06-10-2008 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by RJtrashPilot (Post 401369)
Pinnacle Pilots:

I can sympathize with you. Your management is going to blame this on you, even though it is their failure. We at Comair played this same game just a year or two ago while we were in contract negotiations, however ours was under the threat of bankruptcy and an 1113 process to have our contract tossed. When we lost 30+ airplanes and even more through a sham RFP that stripped us of 16 CRJ 700s, it did not help our contract situation. We, the pilots, were blamed for that and the company spun it in a way that made the rest of the employee groups hate us.

Please know that this is not the pilots fault, as much as your management probably will tell you it is. It is their failure, however, unfortunately YOU will pay the ultimate price with your quality of life, or jobs, for THEIR failure. You have done all you can in flying from Point A to Point B as safely as possible. It is management's responsibility to staff the airline properly, have the aircraft in good working condition and provide crews with the tools they need to operate safely, and if at all possible, on time.

If, ultimately, you see ASA or Comair or Skywest or Shuttle America flying airplanes on routes that you used to fly, do not blame the pilots flying those airplanes. Vent all of your frustration towards your management and toward Delta management. Those pilots have just as much control over that flying as you did.

Someone once told me that "The best friend that an airline pilot has is another airline pilot." I happen to agree with that statement. Management, however, knows this and often tries to exploit that notion and divide pilot groups amongst each other by "whipsawing" one group against another. If we allow this to happen, then they have ultimately won.

Good luck to all of you at Pinnacle and all of us in the industry.

Amen Brother!!!

SmoothLanderJ 06-10-2008 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by nicholasblonde (Post 401367)
Uhh...crew sched and dispatch and mx?

Hey im not pointing fingers at anyone......but, I did observe a pinnacle flight this morning that was scheduled to leave at 8:19, just begin to board at 8:15....the crew showed up something like 8:10, needless to say they didnt get out on time.

*Edit* I do not wish for Pinnacle to lose any flying BTW.

TurboDog 06-10-2008 08:03 AM

Delta stated when coming out of BK that they wanted to reduced the regional carriers that fly for them from 9 to 3 or 4 carriers.

Also, just because someone can do it cheaper doesn't mean they are more profitable. Look at Mesa...... THEY SUCK! You pay for what you get. Delta paid for cheap labor and they got cheap service. Some of the other carriers may have higher cost but better all around perfomance and profits.

Past V1 06-10-2008 08:03 AM

Hey PNCL stock is dropping....wanna make a quick buck....I never say buy airline....BUT BUY PNCL NOW!!!!! and maybe sell a month from now......FAST MONEY.....PPPECHOOOWWW!!!!

mooney 06-10-2008 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by SmoothLanderJ (Post 401377)
Hey im not pointing fingers at anyone......but, I did observe a pinnacle flight this morning that was scheduled to leave at 8:19, just begin to board at 8:15....the crew showed up something like 8:10, needless to say they didnt get out on time.

*Edit* I do not wish for Pinnacle to lose any flying BTW.

Cause DAL schedules a -900 for a 30 minute turn with a crew swap from terminal 1 to terminal 4 :)


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