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Originally Posted by av8sean
(Post 401235)
Delta tried to pull this on Freedom Air and got spanked, now they want to do the same thing on Pinnacle? What the F?
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I have a question...when does a contract dwindle down....I mean first....PNCL flying is reduce by 290 hours....that was last week....and now....oh....let just cancel the contract.....weird.....smoke and mirrors friends!!!!
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Originally Posted by nicholasblonde
(Post 401354)
Rducky are you an idiot? Companies don't sign a contract for 16 planes "wanting them to fail." They wouldn't waste their time signing something unless they thought it would somehow contribute to their bottom line.
And btw nice logo...how 'bout an ALPA one instead bro? Or are you a "company pilot?" Answer me this why is Delta so quick to terminate the contract.... As for my logo get over it.... |
Originally Posted by rducky
(Post 401393)
I would like to think I am an idiot, but obviously you seem to think I am so whatever. Don't we all want our companies to be successful and when I say successful I mean not at the expense of our flight crews but with our flight crews as a valued partner. Yes I am with our flight crews they deserve a contract one that values their importance to the company.
Answer me this why is Delta so quick to terminate the contract.... As for my logo get over it.... RDUCKY...YOUR THE ONE....You make uncle phil have so much fun!!!! Just playing dude....as long as you are on the strike line with that PNCL logo....I'll buy you a beer!!! |
Originally Posted by av8sean
(Post 401251)
Mesa and Pinnacle WERE meeting the terms of their contracts... You can't blame Mesa or Pinnacle for cancellations when you pro-actively cancel their flights in order to get mainline out. In the case with Pinnacle, they were also making them fly to St. Croix which required deadheading a double crew to fly the plane back, as well as the fact that Pinnacle planes aren't overwater certified - the indirect routings often caused fuel diversions.
Delta subtracted all flights that were thinned due to weather when making the calculations for Mesa. You only need look at old threads here to get a idea why the contract was canceled. I can't tell you how many freedom flights I saw late or canceled for lack of crew. The operation in JFK was a disaster. At one point a Mesa pilot told me that pilots were quiting so fast they were into large cancelations everywhere and were working the remaining pilots to death.. |
I am not pointing the finger at the pilots just making an observation.... If DAL is going to use "on time" stats to terminate its contract then there may be some merit to their claim.
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Originally Posted by mooney
(Post 401385)
Cause DAL schedules a -900 for a 30 minute turn with a crew swap from terminal 1 to terminal 4 :)
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Originally Posted by rducky
(Post 401393)
I would like to think I am not an idiot, but obviously you seem to think I am so whatever. Don't we all want our companies to be successful and when I say successful I mean not at the expense of our flight crews but with our flight crews as a valued partner. Yes I am with our flight crews they deserve a contract one that values their importance to the company.
Answer me this why is Delta so quick to terminate the contract.... As for my logo get over it.... I want our company to be successful like anyone else. I just think that pilots should be more loyal to their fellow pilots than the company. I.e. if you're a senior captain making decent money, you would obviously have a vested interest in the company staying afloat, because you have it good...but you should still be willing to put your cushy job on the line and strike for the poor 1st/2nd year FOs here if and when called upon to do so, because you were there once, and in this industry you never know when you might be there again. |
Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
(Post 401404)
I am not pointing the finger at the pilots just making an observation.... If DAL is going to use "on time" stats to terminate its contract then there may be some merit to their claim.
I have a question NWA320Pilot....when you merge are you gonna change you name to...hmmmm.....I dont know.....Delta320Pilot.....creative!!!!;) JK....anyways....I would like to see the actual stats before staking the claim that all regional carriers are pretty much "comparitable" to other regional carriers as far as on time performance goes...which will not be justification for cancelling a contract if you felt that you are going to get the same performance from another carrier....The bottom line is....well the bottom line....who is going to provide the service for cheaper...thats all....its not more complicated than that. And if you can cancel one to get another for cheaper....you would....You tell me the last time your carrier actually really cared about on time performance...yeah they get a little slap on the wrist from the DOT...but the doesn't even dent the the bottom line...really if you think about it |
This is the type of response I might expect from a grade schooler...... Grow up a little. All I was doing is stating my observations. I do understand that its not the pilots fault. I have many Pinnacle pilot friends and I know that they all relay their frustrations with company problems.
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