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Old 06-11-2008 | 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by TonyWilliams
I'm confident that in a worse case scenario, those -900's won't just sit around and drag the company down. They are a hot commodity, and will be easy to unload at a premium.
Who knows, maybe there will be a mainline carrier looking to buy some -900s which they can operate on the mainline with 90+ seats in them.
Old 06-11-2008 | 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Spaceman Spliff
I've heard that the -9s will be taking some RJ routes, and more RJs will be parked. I hope this is true, not just for NWA pilots' sake, but for the whole industry's sake.

The more flying we can recapture at the mainline, the more the mainline will hire. I don't think I need to explain why that's good for everyone.

Bottom line, no one knows exactly what's going to happen...especially you. Let's let it unfold before we start getting riled up.
The difference in fuel efficiency and mx costs between a -9 and a 900/170/175 is enormous last time I checked. The difference in pay between Mesaba/RAH/Compass vs. mainline is significant as well. Not sure on scope though. I can't see -9s running on regional routes, now or ever. Unless oil goes down substantially.

Rumors have also been thrown around about CRJ-1000s on mainline taking -9 routes.

I'm not getting riled up about anything...I'm just surfing the net looking for fallback jobs in case things go further south than they already have.

The fact that Oberstar wants the merger halted should be a sign to everyone that this will not be good for NWA. NWA execs don't care, b/c they'll get a handsome buyout, but Oberstar is a politician, with an electorate...and electorates typically don't like it when jobs are lost in their home state.
Old 06-11-2008 | 07:09 AM
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though I agree, lets not forget that it was the MAINLINE PILOTS who gave away the farm on scope...................
And maybe it's time to take it back, seeing that the guys who gave it away are mostly retiring now, and are in a minority at the mainlines.
Old 06-11-2008 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by nicholasblonde

The fact that Oberstar wants the merger halted should be a sign to everyone that this will not be good for NWA. NWA execs don't care, b/c they'll get a handsome buyout, but Oberstar is a politician, with an electorate...and electorates typically don't like it when jobs are lost in their home state.
He's also grandstanding for votes, so when the merger goes through, he can say, "Look, I tried to stop it." He has no power to stop this thing, outside of introducing a bill in Congress. That's been tried before and usually fails. Only the DOJ can stop it, and when both NW and DL claim that they will go BK again without it, DOJ will approve it.
Old 06-11-2008 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by nicholasblonde
The difference in fuel efficiency and mx costs between a -9 and a 900/170/175 is enormous last time I checked. The difference in pay between Mesaba/RAH/Compass vs. mainline is significant as well.
Yes, the difference in fuel costs and MX may be significant. But -9s are paid for and new RJs are not. I'm not sure if one balances out the other--probably not. But if you can fill up a feeder route once a day on a DC-9 vs two or three RJs per day...that's when the savings will occur.

As to pay differences...I never claimed it will be easy, but we're only worth what we negotiate.
Old 06-11-2008 | 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by nicholasblonde
The difference in fuel efficiency and mx costs between a -9 and a 900/170/175 is enormous last time I checked thats incorrect. The difference in pay between Mesaba/RAH/Compass vs. mainline is significant as well not when 1 mainline crew does what 3 crj200s do. 2-3 crj crews cost more then 1 mainline crew. Not sure on scope though. I can't see -9s running on regional routes, now or everDC9s already fly "regional (aka:mainline) routes". Unless oil goes down substantially.

Rumors have also been thrown around about CRJ-1000s on mainline taking -9 routes.

I'm not getting riled up about anything...I'm just surfing the net looking for fallback jobs in case things go further south than they already have.

The fact that Oberstar wants the merger halted should be a sign to everyone that this will not be good for NWA. NWA execs don't care, b/c they'll get a handsome buyout, but Oberstar is a politician, with an electorate...and electorates typically don't like it when jobs are lost in their home stateOberstars objection is just the typical political BS. He is covering his butt so if job cuts happen further he can say see i objected. Both mgmt teams have said there will be cuts specifically at the mgmt and corporate levels..

The more mainline flying that is kept or added the better off the industry is for pilots.
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
Who knows, maybe there will be a mainline carrier looking to buy some -900s which they can operate on the mainline with 90+ seats in them.

Not sure where you'll put the + seats

Why has NW not replaced -9's with -900's already ? Why has DL had a 100 seat pay scale but no 100 seat planes ?

It's all money, and unfortunately, "cheap" contract labor and planes, and mainline unions that agreed, have won out so far. With jobs at a premium, mainline pilot groups may alter their ego about flying little airplanes. But they'll have to operate competitive aircraft (i.e., not -9's with $4 gas).

US Airways is flying E19x's already.
Old 06-11-2008 | 07:36 AM
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The fact that Oberstar wants the merger halted should be a sign to everyone that this will not be good for NWA.

He has been opposing this, or any merger for that matter, since merger talks first surfaced. All the politicians care about is keeping low cost fares for the consumer. They could care less if an upstart comes in, creates havec within the industry and then closes up shop. It keeps ticket prices low. They could care less about stability. Anyway, he has no authority. He can only make noise.
Old 06-11-2008 | 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by TonyWilliams
Not sure where you'll put the + seats

Why has NW not replaced -9's with -900's already Only because they were allowed to because of the mistakes by the pilot groups in regards to scope. Believe me when i tell you everyone of the NWA pilots realizes it was a mistake since they now have E175s parking at the mainline gates. not to mention mgmt pushed the retirement of the -9's as far as they could via the scope language that was relaxed. The unions have both said scope will be tightened via the new joint contract.? Why has DL had a 100 seat pay scale but no 100 seat planes ? YET

It's all money, and unfortunately, "cheap" contract labor and planes, and mainline unions that agreed, have won out so far. With jobs at a premium, mainline pilot groups may alter their ego about flying little airplanes. But they'll have to operate competitive aircraft (i.e., not -9's with $4 gas). DAL mgmt is clearly showing now what we have been hoping for, they want to reduce the number of regional jets in place of mainline aircraft.

US Airways is flying E19x's already.
The days of the majors footing the bills for aircraft and fuel at the regionals are quickly coming to an end. After 9/11 it was cheaper to outsource alot of the flying but that trend is changing, especially with the 37-50 seaters.
Old 06-11-2008 | 07:38 AM
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There were many that were "dissapointed" in Delta bringing Pinnacle in the first place. Sorry about your luck, but it was a silly idea from the start! There were already airlines flying around in Delta colors out of ATL that were ready and able to take on that flying.

I was just as dissapointed when Delta closed DFW, SLC, and LAX as ASA bases withing a 3 year period.
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