UAL MEC Response to UAX letter
07-03-2008, 06:51 AM
#12
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Originally Posted by JustAMushroom
But what would you have us do? It has been 2 YEARS! When is enough enough? It was a matter of key strokes that put UAL pilots at the head of a jumpseat list on Express carriers.
It really boils down to two choices.
1) UAL pilots get priority over the UAX jumpseats by the very fact the tail has a United logo on it.
2) UAL pilots get SECOND priority over the jumpseat right AFTER the pilots of that one Express carrier.
Depending on how you answer this question will determine how you think about this action. No one wants this pi$$ing match, but it's never the wrong time to do the right thing.
Finally, the UAL MEC is starting to listen. The UAX letter, however poorly timed, is the only way to right a wrong.
It really boils down to two choices.
1) UAL pilots get priority over the UAX jumpseats by the very fact the tail has a United logo on it.
2) UAL pilots get SECOND priority over the jumpseat right AFTER the pilots of that one Express carrier.
Depending on how you answer this question will determine how you think about this action. No one wants this pi$$ing match, but it's never the wrong time to do the right thing.
Finally, the UAL MEC is starting to listen. The UAX letter, however poorly timed, is the only way to right a wrong.
The order should go (on a SKW FLT).
1. SKW
2. ASA
3. UAL or DAL (based on which code share it is)
4. UAX or Delta Connect Carriers (based upon which code share it is)
5. All Other s
NOT: (on the UAL side)
1. UAL
2. TSA/GoJet
3. SKW
4. ASA
5. UAX
6. All Others
07-03-2008, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by WatchThis!
In issuing this ultimatum to our MEC, these UAX carriers are 100% responsible for any consequences that may result from their course of action.
07-03-2008, 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
Yes but people are forgetting that according to the UAL Software code a TSA/GoJet pilot can bump all other UAX pilots off their own jumpseat. Which means that in ORD a SKW pilot can be bumped off a SKW JS by a GoJet pilot. Now that infuriates me.
The order should go (on a SKW FLT).
1. SKW
2. ASA
3. UAL or DAL (based on which code share it is)
4. UAX or Delta Connect Carriers (based upon which code share it is)
5. All Other s
NOT: (on the UAL side)
1. UAL
2. TSA/GoJet
3. SKW
4. ASA
5. UAX
6. All Others
The order should go (on a SKW FLT).
1. SKW
2. ASA
3. UAL or DAL (based on which code share it is)
4. UAX or Delta Connect Carriers (based upon which code share it is)
5. All Other s
NOT: (on the UAL side)
1. UAL
2. TSA/GoJet
3. SKW
4. ASA
5. UAX
6. All Others
When I was at Spirit, they were having problems with jumpseats (actually still are), so I would go up to the gate area about 5-10 minutes prior to push and make sure no one was trying to get on, and given a hassle from the gate agents (especially in FLL!!!). Pain in the butt, BUT it worked.
07-03-2008, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
The sad part is that SKW Mgmnt has offered to fully compensate UAL for all expenses occurred with the rewrite and yet they still won't do it.
How freaking expensive could it be to rewrite some computer code, aside from all the beaurocracy at United it would have to go through?
07-03-2008, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Short Bus Drive
I agree wtih that!!! Now, the thing is if you have a "jumpseater", that pilot should come up to you and introduce themselves. When that happens, if it is a UAL mainline, or ANYONE besides a SKW or ASA pilot, go to the ticket counter/gate area, and make sure there is NO ONE else looking for the jumpseat. I know it's a pain, but...
If you're a SKW JSer and they send a non-SKW pilot down instead of you, call CS and ask to be forwarded to the CA's cellphone.
07-03-2008, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Short Bus Drive
I agree wtih that!!! Now, the thing is if you have a "jumpseater", that pilot should come up to you and introduce themselves. When that happens, if it is a UAL mainline, or ANYONE besides a SKW or ASA pilot, go to the ticket counter/gate area, and make sure there is NO ONE else looking for the jumpseat. I know it's a pain, but...
When I was at Spirit, they were having problems with jumpseats (actually still are), so I would go up to the gate area about 5-10 minutes prior to push and make sure no one was trying to get on, and given a hassle from the gate agents (especially in FLL!!!). Pain in the butt, BUT it worked.
When I was at Spirit, they were having problems with jumpseats (actually still are), so I would go up to the gate area about 5-10 minutes prior to push and make sure no one was trying to get on, and given a hassle from the gate agents (especially in FLL!!!). Pain in the butt, BUT it worked.
07-03-2008, 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by rememberaloha
SkyWest also offered to hedge fuel back when it was $80 and United wanted nothing to do with that either.........
How freaking expensive could it be to rewrite some computer code, aside from all the beaurocracy at United it would have to go through?
How freaking expensive could it be to rewrite some computer code, aside from all the beaurocracy at United it would have to go through?
07-03-2008, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
Yes but people are forgetting that according to the UAL Software code a TSA/GoJet pilot can bump all other UAX pilots off their own jumpseat. Which means that in ORD a SKW pilot can be bumped off a SKW JS by a GoJet pilot. Now that infuriates me.
The order should go (on a SKW FLT).
1. SKW/ASA
2. UAL or DAL (based on which code share it is)
3. UAX or Delta Connect Carriers (based upon which code share it is)
4. All Other s
NOT: (on the UAL side)
1. UAL
2. TSA/GoJet
3. SKW
4. ASA
5. UAX
6. All Others
The order should go (on a SKW FLT).
1. SKW/ASA
2. UAL or DAL (based on which code share it is)
3. UAX or Delta Connect Carriers (based upon which code share it is)
4. All Other s
NOT: (on the UAL side)
1. UAL
2. TSA/GoJet
3. SKW
4. ASA
5. UAX
6. All Others
Originally Posted by Short Bus Drive
Now, the thing is if you have a "jumpseater", that pilot should come up to you and introduce themselves. When that happens, if it is a UAL mainline, or ANYONE besides a SKW or ASA pilot, go to the ticket counter/gate area, and make sure there is NO ONE else looking for the jumpseat. I know it's a pain, but...
I'm sure Tilton is laughing his ass off all the way to the bank now. Not that he wasn't already anyways.
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