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Old 07-13-2008 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by RatherBGolfin
I was told that the language in the JPWA was not based on seats, but rather GTOW. And the number that was thrown out was somewhere in the 85-86,000 lbs range (or something like that). Whatever the number is, it does not include Compass's E175 because they are over that. Is that true?
It is based on both seats & MGTOW (most major airline contracts are). The max in the JPWA is 86,000 lb. The CPS E-175 fleet will weigh 89,000 lb once the "AR" mod is certified. There was specific scope language carved out that allows CPS to operate 36 of them at that weight. Any new E-175 orders would have to be "LR" models which have a MGTOW of 85,517 lb.
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Old 07-14-2008 | 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by RU4692
Latest rumor @ Comair is that they will be merging with Mesaba soon.
I guess anything is possible in this crazy business but that is about as unlikely as Mesaba merging with Compass, not going to happen. Latest I've heard is that DAL is planning to sell Comair and Compass after the merger is complete. We'll just have to wait and see.
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Old 07-14-2008 | 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Ftrooppilot
"You guys ????" Am not nor ever been a Mesaba or Compass employee. Trying to look at what makes good "business sense" for NWA (eventually Big D).

Selling Compass is not getting rid of them if it raises cash and NWA writes a regional support contract with the new owners. It could protect Compass pilots from NWA furlough displacements.

I'll let one of the NWA contract experts correct me but I believe that "if Compass aircraft are sold" it clears the way for Mesaba to add up to fifty four more CRJ900s.
From Ftrooppilot's previous posts, it is clear he is not a Mesaba or Compass employee. I agree with Ftrooppilot on this one. He has been correct on many issues in the past. He has in the past correctly predicted the expansion of Mesaba when everyone was painting gloom and doom for Mesaba. I agree with Ftrooppilot on this issue because NWA/DAL has made it clear from their announcements and from their joint merger presentations that they intend to reduce the number of regionals flying for them. If it makes financial sense, NWA/DAL will sell Compass regardless of how NWA pilots feel about this issue. However, if the furlough is imminent at NWA, NWA pilots may insist that NWA hold onto Compass. For Compass pilots, if NWA starts to furlough pilots, that would not be a good situation.

If Compass is sold, Ftrooppilot is correct in saying that NWA/DAL can add up to 54 aircraft initially. NWA has options for 18 additional any Bombardier aircraft and 36 additional aircraft that can be added to Mesaba in addition to 36 ERJ175 to Compass, if Compass is sold to a third party. Compass would be one of the few regionals that would make an attractive buy for a couple of reasons. One, it has no 50 seat RJs. Two, it comes with a solid contract with NWA/DAL. Three, it has very little infrastructure expenses as it has virtually none, and hence is a gold mine.
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Old 07-14-2008 | 07:47 AM
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If I only had a quarter for every rumor I've heard on here............
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Old 07-14-2008 | 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed
If Compass is sold, Ftrooppilot is correct in saying that NWA/DAL can add up to 54 aircraft initially.
Where did you get this info? Why would selling CP be a magical trigger to add 54 RJs? It makes no sense at all. Plus selling Comair and Compass but keeping Mesaba? Sounds like Mesaba FO crewroom talk to me.

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Old 07-14-2008 | 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Schwartz
Where did you get this info. It makes no sense at all. Plus selling Comair and Compass but keeping Mesaba? Sounds like Mesaba FO crewroom talk to me.
Aren't you with Compass? This is a Mesaba thread, so why don't you go over to Compass thread and post your thoughts there instead of trying to pick on every post here on Mesaba thread that you don't like. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean they aren't true. If you don't like what you read here stop yourself.
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Old 07-14-2008 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed
Aren't you with Compass? This is a Mesaba thread, so why don't you go over to Compass thread and post your thoughts there instead of trying to pick on every post here on Mesaba thread that you don't like. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean they aren't true. If you don't like what you read here stop yourself.
I was asking where you got your info. I'm curious. Lets make a deal: stop posting bogus info about Compass on Mesaba threads and then I won't raise a B.S. flag every time you post.
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Old 07-14-2008 | 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed
I guess anything is possible in this crazy business but that is about as unlikely as Mesaba merging with Compass, not going to happen. Latest I've heard is that DAL is planning to sell Comair and Compass after the merger is complete. We'll just have to wait and see.

It's funny reading all these post. The Mesaba guys think they will be the favorite step-child, while the Compass guys think think they will be the favorite because they were the first born.. No one know's what the hell is going to happen!
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Old 07-14-2008 | 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Schwartz
I was asking where you got your info. I'm curious. Lets make a deal: stop posting bogus info about Compass on Mesaba threads and then I won't raise a B.S. flag every time you post.
It is obvious to me you are either incapable of reading the entire posts in a logical sequence or just pick and choose a sentence out of a post just to make your ludicurous accusations. Had you spent time reading Ftrooppilot post you would have realized my post was agreeing with what Ftrooppilot has written. No one knows whether Comair or Compass will be sold. That was a conjecture forwarded by Ftrooppilot and by others.
Nothing bogus about the fact if Compass is sold, NWA will award 18 additional RJs to Mesaba and 36 more RJs in addition to that. If you don't know why that is go do research on your own. Now go over to Compass thread and post your speculations there and stop wasting my time.
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Old 07-14-2008 | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by EmbraerFlyer
It's funny reading all these post. The Mesaba guys think they will be the favorite step-child, while the Compass guys think think they will be the favorite because they were the first born.. No one know's what the hell is going to happen!
I think they hate all of their step children. I also think there is a very good chance that CP will be sold post merger now that there is no ownership requirement in the JPWA. Most CP pilots feel the same way. I just think it's really funny how each company has its own "we're taking over" mentality.
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