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04-19-2014, 03:58 PM
#4731
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By no concessions I mean no less than industry average rates for 175s with no other concessions on our CBA. That means no increase in healthcare costs especially after we just took a slight increase on our latest contract, and no PAY CAPS! PSA agreed to both of those things so don't think for a second you didn't take concessions just because your step rates stayed the same.
The old farts would be just fine. Especially if it meant rolling into retirement on a six figure salary. Some of the worst pilots we've had here have moved onto Republic and done just fine.
Originally Posted by Systemized
Piedmont has too many grandpas that wouldn't be able to make it through initial on a jet for new planes to ever happen.
04-19-2014, 08:42 PM
#4732
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Originally Posted by Systemized
Piedmont has too many grandpas that wouldn't be able to make it through initial on a jet for new planes to ever happen.
04-20-2014, 12:38 AM
#4733
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Originally Posted by PapaUniform
This, frankly, is insulting. Say what you will about Piedmont and its future, but to imply that the pilots at PDT are incapable of learning a new plane is ridiculous. A 250 hour guy can be taught to fly a jet, but not a seasoned, multi-thousand hour Captain who just happens to fly a turboprop? And before the "they have too many bad habits" argument makes its certain appearance, what was it that most of these other regional carriers flew before their shiny RJs? Seems to me most of them had propellers on them...
Airways has had issues in the past with senior Piedmont captains not being able to pass initial training. For a period of time airways was only hiring guys from the wholly-owns that have been through a major training event within five years because of this.
04-20-2014, 05:16 AM
#4734
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Originally Posted by Systemized
Airways has had issues in the past with senior Piedmont captains not being able to pass initial training. For a period of time airways was only hiring guys from the wholly-owns that have been through a major training event within five years because of this.
If you can play a video game, you can fly an RJ. Compared to what we endure in the Dash, flying a jet would be a vacation. Training would be a breeze. I know. I'm typed in both.
The idea that Airways pours over training records for "major training event" is ridiculous.
Airways is not going to pass on an experienced seasoned operator who has made his or her career flying in the northeast without accident or incident.
04-20-2014, 05:33 AM
#4735
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Say what you guys want, when eagle closed sju. The guys on props for the last two decades around the islands turned into a train wreck I heard in jet training. Rumor is many are either now retired or on a long term leave.
04-20-2014, 05:58 AM
#4736
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Originally Posted by rickt86
Say what you guys want, when eagle closed sju. The guys on props for the last two decades around the islands turned into a train wreck I heard in jet training. Rumor is many are either now retired or on a long term leave.
Please. If you can go from a 172 to a jet, you can go from an ATR to a jet. Now that being said, some people just don't have the right attitude or work ethic and don't put the effort in that initial training demands. But to attribute inability to pass based on what equipment you've previously flown is foolish.
The sju guys have probably not held in the actual airplane once in the past 15 years, shot one approach every six months, and could fly island to island with their hands tied behind their back... great at what they do down there but basically the opposite of what they got displaced into (or what Piedmont guys do on a daily basis)
04-20-2014, 06:23 AM
#4737
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Originally Posted by JohnLocke
You don't think you could learn a jet coming off a turboprop?
Please. If you can go from a 172 to a jet, you can go from an ATR to a jet. Now that being said, some people just don't have the right attitude or work ethic and don't put the effort in that initial training demands. But to attribute inability to pass based on what equipment you've previously flown is foolish.
The sju guys have probably not held in the actual airplane once in the past 15 years, shot one approach every six months, and could fly island to island with their hands tied behind their back... great at what they do down there but basically the opposite of what they got displaced into (or what Piedmont guys do on a daily basis)
Please. If you can go from a 172 to a jet, you can go from an ATR to a jet. Now that being said, some people just don't have the right attitude or work ethic and don't put the effort in that initial training demands. But to attribute inability to pass based on what equipment you've previously flown is foolish.
The sju guys have probably not held in the actual airplane once in the past 15 years, shot one approach every six months, and could fly island to island with their hands tied behind their back... great at what they do down there but basically the opposite of what they got displaced into (or what Piedmont guys do on a daily basis)
As far as training, learning the ERJ was a breeze compared to the ATR.
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