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09-03-2014, 01:50 PM
#5691
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Originally Posted by embraer
Well, Envoy was originally offered the current PSA disaster.
When they came back they offered, among other things:
Fleet guarantee of 170 aircraft minimum.
Enhanced flow through (no interview) to AA for everyone including future new hires.
The FIRST 60 E-175s purchased from the factory plus the next 90 options. Any E-175s acquired from any other source than the factory would not have counted toward the 60+90 numbers.
A 4/12 pay cap that was staggered over the next few years instead of taking effect right away. Anybody outside of the 4/12 would not have a snap back.
That is just for starters. There was more but they absolutely improved their offer for Envoy.
In regards to Piedmont, it's like I said before: Their biggest asset is their pilots. At the end of the day AA needs those pilots regardless of which aircraft they are flying. In other words: Piedmont is NOT going anywhere regardless of how you vote. Just as Envoy IS NOT going anywhere.
A NO vote by Piedmont may, JUST MAY put both airlines (Piedmont and Envoy) back in the driver's seat and bring enhanced contract proposals. On the other hand, a YES vote by Piedmont would just drag out these horrible PSA style contracts for the next decade.
When they came back they offered, among other things:
Fleet guarantee of 170 aircraft minimum.
Enhanced flow through (no interview) to AA for everyone including future new hires.
The FIRST 60 E-175s purchased from the factory plus the next 90 options. Any E-175s acquired from any other source than the factory would not have counted toward the 60+90 numbers.
A 4/12 pay cap that was staggered over the next few years instead of taking effect right away. Anybody outside of the 4/12 would not have a snap back.
That is just for starters. There was more but they absolutely improved their offer for Envoy.
In regards to Piedmont, it's like I said before: Their biggest asset is their pilots. At the end of the day AA needs those pilots regardless of which aircraft they are flying. In other words: Piedmont is NOT going anywhere regardless of how you vote. Just as Envoy IS NOT going anywhere.
A NO vote by Piedmont may, JUST MAY put both airlines (Piedmont and Envoy) back in the driver's seat and bring enhanced contract proposals. On the other hand, a YES vote by Piedmont would just drag out these horrible PSA style contracts for the next decade.
And So basically Eagle was gonna get all the E-175's??? Where did that leave PDT people?
This vote will pass..... It's time PDT people look after PDT people.
09-03-2014, 02:00 PM
#5692
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Originally Posted by billyho
You mean stand with the same ALPA nation brothers the lied and sold ALG and PDT down the river a few years ago?? I think NOT!! ALPA is a political machine. Full of lies and cover ups.
Just to clarify, ALPA, and more specifically, the MECs made up of your own line pilots (not you specifically but in the broader sense). If someone sold anyone down the river a few years ago, it was the MECs members who did that. You can call the union bananas for all I care, but that won't change the fact that it's the MEC who are made up of line pilots that do these things. And ultimately, it's the regular line pilot who agrees to it by voting these things in.
In other words, ALPA isn't some bogie man you can always put the blame on of you don't like something. It's you and me and all the other regular line pilots who make up ALPA. So far, you've had xjt, rah, env, and silver all vote down bad deals. This wasn't ALPA did that. That was 10,000+ regular line pilots who did that!
09-03-2014, 02:05 PM
#5693
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Just to clarify, ALPA, and more specifically, the MECs made up of your own line pilots (not you specifically but in the broader sense). If someone sold anyone down the river a few years ago, it was the MECs members who did that. You can call the union bananas for all I care, but that won't change the fact that it's the MEC who are made up of line pilots that do these things. And ultimately, it's the regular line pilot who agrees to it by voting these things in.
In other words, ALPA isn't some bogie man you can always put the blame on of you don't like something. It's you and me and all the other regular line pilots who make up ALPA. So far, you've had xjt, rah, env, and silver all vote down bad deals. This wasn't ALPA did that. That was 10,000+ regular line pilots who did that!
In other words, ALPA isn't some bogie man you can always put the blame on of you don't like something. It's you and me and all the other regular line pilots who make up ALPA. So far, you've had xjt, rah, env, and silver all vote down bad deals. This wasn't ALPA did that. That was 10,000+ regular line pilots who did that!
09-03-2014, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Centra
How good were the second offers at Envoy, ExpressJet, and Republic?
At xjt, management has backed off from concessions.
And the JNC told us that that first offer was as good as it was going to get by the way.
09-03-2014, 03:15 PM
#5695
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
I personally know of 5 pilots that voted NO then flowed to AA the very next day.
09-03-2014, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by billyho
Go and search ALPA National and Chris Beebe! Ask any other ALG guy here or PDT about how there union was lied to by Beebe and management having him in his back pocket!
Beebee, Moak, or whoever is next CANNOT tell your MEC what to do. And they CANNOT force you to vote yes. That was my point. Don't blame ALPA, blame ourselves.
09-03-2014, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by skyxbomb
By my calculations, you need a job to even qualify to pay for a certain percentage of the healthcare cost.
Isn't that what PDT is worried about? PDT only has 350 pilots with 25 year old props. They can be replaced in a month without a hiccup in the system. The threat worked against PSA, but I think it'll work even better on PDT. There's a reason why PDT is the last to be approached by the new AA. "Throw us a bone AA!" That's what my friend at PDT said about the general sentiments over there. Either way I wish you guys the best. Met some very nice crew DHing or jumpseating on PDT.
Isn't that what PDT is worried about? PDT only has 350 pilots with 25 year old props. They can be replaced in a month without a hiccup in the system. The threat worked against PSA, but I think it'll work even better on PDT. There's a reason why PDT is the last to be approached by the new AA. "Throw us a bone AA!" That's what my friend at PDT said about the general sentiments over there. Either way I wish you guys the best. Met some very nice crew DHing or jumpseating on PDT.
"They can be replaced in a month without a hiccup in the system".
Do tell? Please explain how this would be possible??
Management just loves to exploit all those gullible enough to believe all their false threats and outright lies, really helps sway the weak minded into voting for whatever offer management throws their way!
09-03-2014, 03:50 PM
#5699
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Originally Posted by Paid2fly
"They can be replaced in a month without a hiccup in the system".
Do tell? Please explain how this would be possible??
Management just loves to exploit all those gullible enough to believe all their false threats and outright lies, really helps sway the weak minded into voting for whatever offer management throws their way!
Do tell? Please explain how this would be possible??
Management just loves to exploit all those gullible enough to believe all their false threats and outright lies, really helps sway the weak minded into voting for whatever offer management throws their way!
09-03-2014, 04:13 PM
#5700
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Piedmont will have bargaining Power once this TA is signed. You except the TA get the planes and now you can have a chance to demand things.
Without this TA you have no bargaining power. Vote no and management just says okay keep operating like you are and then you can just watch the airline implode on itself.
PDT Pilots really and Truly don't have options here.
Without this TA you have no bargaining power. Vote no and management just says okay keep operating like you are and then you can just watch the airline implode on itself.
PDT Pilots really and Truly don't have options here.
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