The Eagle Displacement/Vacancy Bid is Closed - Praise your deity of choice!
08-04-2008, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by coldpilot
Proffering to displace is a voluntary bid. Seat locks apply. You can't proffer to displace if you are seat locked and a seat lock is also incurred if you do proffer to displace.
All of it is explained in plain language in the "Displacement, furlough, recall '101'" guide put out by Eagle ALPA. It was sent out in an email on June 24.
All of it is explained in plain language in the "Displacement, furlough, recall '101'" guide put out by Eagle ALPA. It was sent out in an email on June 24.
I hate the word proffer. Its so weird.
08-04-2008, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by coldpilot
Proffering to displace is a voluntary bid. Seat locks apply. You can't proffer to displace if you are seat locked and a seat lock is also incurred if you do proffer to displace.
All of it is explained in plain language in the "Displacement, furlough, recall '101'" guide put out by Eagle ALPA. It was sent out in an email on June 24.
All of it is explained in plain language in the "Displacement, furlough, recall '101'" guide put out by Eagle ALPA. It was sent out in an email on June 24.
well it worked for me! remainder of seatlock is in new equipt
08-04-2008, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Pontius Pilot
Yeah, I wanted the CASA out of Marquette...but that didn't happen either.
My Nassau A-380 bid didn't come thru either. I was looking for a 20 day off line that paid 100 hours, but I'll have to hold off on that request now.
08-04-2008, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by mwa1
well it worked for me! remainder of seatlock is in new equipt
The was one person awarded DCE while someone much more senior to him was displaced from DCE.
08-04-2008, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Pontius Pilot
Exactly. If you are involuntarily displaced then there is no seat lock. Proferring to displace, however, still carries a seat lock.
I hate the word proffer. Its so weird.
I hate the word proffer. Its so weird.
Right and wrong. A 3P proffer has a seat lock, a 3D proffer does not since it is part of a displacement bid.
You are confusing a 3P proffer with a RF100 PDIS with the 3D proffer.
The 3D is for Displacement. Anything at or above your current status is a proffer to displace on the displacement bid.... and anything after your current status is an involuntary displacement (which the company then has to pay your moving expenses for up to 10,000 pounds of household furnishings and stuff.)
There is no seat lock on a displacement bid. So, as an DFE you could enter a 3P for OFC and not get it because you are seat locked for a 3P bid preference... then in your 3D list enter OFC first followed by DFE. The OFC is at or above the DFE so it would be a proffer to displace on the displacement bid, and would not have a seat lock.
Do any of you people read the bulletins on Jetnet or listen to the teleconferences??
The Displacement Summary is still on the Eagle pilots page of jetnet. Go read it, and pay extra attention to the examples at the end. There is no seatlock if you proffer to displace on the displacement bid preference; there is a seat lock on regular bid preferences.
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08-04-2008, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason32
Right and wrong. A 3P proffer has a seat lock, a 3D proffer does not since it is part of a displacement bid.
You are confusing a 3P proffer with a RF100 PDIS with the 3D proffer.
The 3D is for Displacement. Anything at or above your current status is a proffer to displace on the displacement bid.... and anything after your current status is an involuntary displacement (which the company then has to pay your moving expenses for up to 10,000 pounds of household furnishings and stuff.)
There is no seat lock on a displacement bid. So, as an DFE you could enter a 3P for OFC and not get it because you are seat locked for a 3P bid preference... then in your 3D list enter OFC first followed by DFE. The OFC is at or above the DFE so it would be a proffer to displace on the displacement bid, and would not have a seat lock.
Do any of you people read the bulletins on Jetnet or listen to the teleconferences??
The Displacement Summary is still on the Eagle pilots page of jetnet. Go read it, and pay extra attention to the examples at the end. There is no seatlock if you proffer to displace on the displacement bid preference; there is a seat lock on regular bid preferences.
You are confusing a 3P proffer with a RF100 PDIS with the 3D proffer.
The 3D is for Displacement. Anything at or above your current status is a proffer to displace on the displacement bid.... and anything after your current status is an involuntary displacement (which the company then has to pay your moving expenses for up to 10,000 pounds of household furnishings and stuff.)
There is no seat lock on a displacement bid. So, as an DFE you could enter a 3P for OFC and not get it because you are seat locked for a 3P bid preference... then in your 3D list enter OFC first followed by DFE. The OFC is at or above the DFE so it would be a proffer to displace on the displacement bid, and would not have a seat lock.
Do any of you people read the bulletins on Jetnet or listen to the teleconferences??
The Displacement Summary is still on the Eagle pilots page of jetnet. Go read it, and pay extra attention to the examples at the end. There is no seatlock if you proffer to displace on the displacement bid preference; there is a seat lock on regular bid preferences.
However, you still can't proffer to displace if you are currently seat locked.
08-04-2008, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by coldpilot
I must correct my earlier statement that proffering will create a seat lock. Mason32 is correct.
However, you still can't proffer to displace if you are currently seat locked.
However, you still can't proffer to displace if you are currently seat locked.
Still wrong. On the *3 list it will show your bid pref's (3P's)... these are subject to seat lock
under them is the Displacement preferences (3D's)
junior people should have listed just about everything on this list in order of their preference.... someplace on that list should have been your current status.
The 3P's are used for the vacancy bid, and the seat lock would/did apply. Then when they ran the displacement bid you would get whatever you could hold in order of your list preference.... anything ABOVE or at your current status was a proffer to displace (no company paid moving expenses) and anythign below was an involuntary displacement, with moving expenses... once they ran the displacement bid, there were no seat locks.
That being said. People had to be cautious what they bid into, if they displaced from EMB to CRJ they would then become seat locked in the CRJ until they upgraded or until another displacement bid was run.
08-05-2008, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason32
Still wrong. On the *3 list it will show your bid pref's (3P's)... these are subject to seat lock
under them is the Displacement preferences (3D's)
junior people should have listed just about everything on this list in order of their preference.... someplace on that list should have been your current status.
The 3P's are used for the vacancy bid, and the seat lock would/did apply. Then when they ran the displacement bid you would get whatever you could hold in order of your list preference.... anything ABOVE or at your current status was a proffer to displace (no company paid moving expenses) and anythign below was an involuntary displacement, with moving expenses... once they ran the displacement bid, there were no seat locks.
That being said. People had to be cautious what they bid into, if they displaced from EMB to CRJ they would then become seat locked in the CRJ until they upgraded or until another displacement bid was run.
under them is the Displacement preferences (3D's)
junior people should have listed just about everything on this list in order of their preference.... someplace on that list should have been your current status.
The 3P's are used for the vacancy bid, and the seat lock would/did apply. Then when they ran the displacement bid you would get whatever you could hold in order of your list preference.... anything ABOVE or at your current status was a proffer to displace (no company paid moving expenses) and anythign below was an involuntary displacement, with moving expenses... once they ran the displacement bid, there were no seat locks.
That being said. People had to be cautious what they bid into, if they displaced from EMB to CRJ they would then become seat locked in the CRJ until they upgraded or until another displacement bid was run.
08-05-2008, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by coldpilot
No disrespect or anything but you asked if we read the stuff put out by the company and the union. I'm wondering if you read it all. If you read the "101" guide put out by ALPA as well as the contract it states that you can't proffer to displace if you are currently under training freeze.
To proffer to displace you now had to send an RF message, as well as list your choices in the 3D list ABOVE your current status. Anything after your current status is simply a displacement preference in the order you enter them. There is no seat lock for the displacement. So, you list your current status first, then where you would like to go after.... or you could even leave your current staus off the 3D list. Either way, once the displacement bid started to run, seat locks would not apply.
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