I spoke directly with a lawyer at the ALPA MEC office for Eagle. I was told that if I were seat locked that my 3P would be ignored. I had no ability to preference bid anything in the displacement except for the equipment I already fly. Only my 3D was necessary to fill out if I did not want to proffer to displace to DFW on the ATR. It was explained to me that 3P would go towards vacancies that I wasn't seat locked out of (ie the aforementioned DFW ATR) and 3D would be valid if I were displaced.

My feeling is this whole thing is absolutely screwed up and should probably be voided and rebid. There are too many errors in it -- and it was not explained in any way, shape or form that could be considered adequate for something with so great importance. I'm not even sure those examples were in English. I'm not a lawyer, don't pretend to be, don't play one on TV -- what chance did any of us have understanding 1/2 the crap the company put out? I don't understand legalese.

 

That's is what I've been saying. The 3D is the displacement, and there is no seat lock on a displacement bid. The 3P is a bid preference, and you can not bid to a vacancy while under seat lock... that didn't change. The confusion is people don't understand that you can proffer to displace on the DISPLACEMENT 3D bid with no seat lock. In other words, if you are displaced from your current seat, your 3D list would be the way to get yourself out of your current aircraft and/or base regardless of seat lock status.

In your case, you would not even have to list your current status first in the 3D.... since if you were displaced by a more senior person, they would just go down your 3D list and you would get whatever you could hold. However, by putting your current status first (which you wouldn't hold in this scenario) all of your subsequent 3D bids would be involuntary displacements and you would get moving expenses. Putting them above your current status woudl be read as a proffer to displace and you would not get moving expenses.

 

I understand that if you are displaced period that you are not seat locked, proffer or not. But you still can't proffer to displace if you are currently seat locked. I have read the contract and the summary both on jetnet and from the union.

Here it is straight from "Displacement, Furlough, and Recall 101"

There are some special displacement options to con-
sider. The Eagle ALPA contract allows for a displace-
ment bidding option known as “Proffer to Displace.”
This option, if exercised by a pilot, allows a senior
pilot to displace out of a bid status instead of a jun-
ior pilot who would otherwise be involuntarily dis-
placed. This occurs instead of the company’s
displacing pilots from a bid status in inverse senior-
ity order. However, in order for that senior pilot to
be eligible for this option, that pilot must:
• Currently hold the same bid status as the
junior pilot being displaced; and
• Not be under obligation of a training freeze;
and
• Not be a probationary pilot proffering to dis-
place to a captain bid status.

 

You need to read between the lines and do a little presumptive reasoning. Any person "seat locked" has been there less than a year. Unless they are seat locked because they moved to new equipment, they will not have the seniority to proffer to displace ahead of anybody else.... they already are on the bottom of the seniority list. Therefore, they can expect to be displaced. By listing their choices above their current status they are in effect proffering to displace as outlines in the Jetnet Summary. There is no seat lock. The proffer to displace is simply a method by which a senior pilot may leave their current status to go elswhere prior to a junior pilot being displaced. With few exceptions, people still seat locked, would not be senior enough to anybody to displace them anyway.

Stop reading the litteral verbage, and start applying the language to the realities of the situation. The eventual conclusion you will discover is that there are no seat locks on a simultaneous Vacancy & Displacement Bid.

 

You are assuming that anyone that is seat locked is on the bottom of their respective list. Not necessarily true. My original post was for FOblondie. She was wondering why she was unable to PROFFER to displace from OFE to DFA with a JAN 08 DOH and 200 people junior to her, many of which were awarded DFA on the bid, myself included. She couldn't proffer to displace to DFA because she is seat locked to the EMB despite there are people junior to her that are holding DFA. That's why she wasn't awarded DFA. That's all I was trying to point out, just answering a fellow Eagle pilot's question.

 

Her seat lock is due to being on probation for the first 12 months as a new hire. CBA Section 15.I.1.c. Not the same reason for seat locks that we have been discussign since then. But you are correct, in her case that is what happened. The only way she could have gotten out would have been to have enough people senior to her come into OFE above her to displace her, which would kick in her displacement preferences.

 

What I would like to know is the justification for the following:

The union stated they would displace 12 FOs out of SJU and 8 FOs out of MIA. In the end only 8 were displaced out of SJU (all proffers).

There were no vacancies available at either base.

However...there are MIA FOs being displaced to SJU? Now what the hell is that about???

I'm very stressed out about this whole situation. Something doesn't smell right.

 

Any idea if/when there will be another round of displacement/vacancy bids.

I thought that the final award released on 8/6 was the last one, but I've also heard rumors of another round.

 

I was wondering about the same thing. It sounds like everyone is safe (knock on wood), but is Eagle still short on pilots?

 

The last time my seniority number was updated, I moved up 42 numbers.
They are updated every 12th of the month I think so we'll see soon how many pilots have "attrited" and if it's close to the same as last month, that should make us only about 120-150 pilots fat. Good news considering all the pilots about to go into training.
I don't want to speak too soon, but it looks as if we might be alright.