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Old 08-01-2008 | 10:03 AM
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STATEMENT OF SENATOR JOHN McCAIN
CHAIRMAN SENATE COMMITTEE ON
COMMERCE, SCIENCE AND TRANSPORTATION
FULL COMMITTEE HEARING
ON THE STATUS OF LABOR ISSUES IN THE AVIATION INDUSTRY
APRIL 25, 2001


"We are all aware of the numerous problems facing the aviation industry.
Congestion, delays, and modernization of air traffic control are all issues
that seem to rise to the forefront to be addressed again and again. This
Committee, industry, the regulatory agencies and others have redoubled their
efforts to address these serious problems.

Recently, however, a new problem has risen, creating further havoc in our
system. While labor negotiations in the airline industry have been ongoing
for years, things have begun to worsen. The trend towards larger airlines
has given unions greater leverage which appears to have contributed to a
mind set that views any work stoppage as legitimate. Normally even
acrimonious labor negotiations are a part of the negotiating process with
both sides using what leverage is available to them to reach the best deal.
However, times have changed; these acrimonious negotiations now adversely
affect the American people.

Let me say from the outset that I have no problem with the right to strike.
Strikes are a legal remedy available under applicable labor statutes.
Recently, however, courts have found more and more that labor unions in the
airline industry have engaged in concerted illegal job actions. These
courts have issued temporary restraining orders and injunctions prohibiting
such actions. In recent months, United, American, Northwest, and Delta have
obtained court ordered relief from these alleged illegal job actions. In
American's case, the court fined American's pilots over $45 million for not
adhering to the injunction.

These actions have affected millions of consumers. Middle America has been
stranded time and time again as a result of this illegal union activity.
According to published reports, last year, United cancelled over 23,000
flights as a result of its pilots' refusal to fly overtime, destroying
carefully planned vacations and business trips. Northwest and Delta
cancelled thousands of flights preemptively over the holiday seasons to
combat alleged mechanic slowdowns and failure to fly overtime by pilots,
respectively. The pilots' sickout at American in 1999 left thousands of
people stranded, some of which have banded together to sue the pilots for
damages.

In this day and age, a job action at a major airline can have a catastrophic
effect on the aviation system and the consumer. The rest of the system
would have a difficult time absorbing the excess passengers and the system
could come to a standstill. While management and labor are affected by
this, both parties have contingencies planned in the event of a job action.
The consumer is the one most affected by this increase in labor actions. It
is family flying across country for their vacation, the daughter coming home
from college, and the son going to visit a sick parent who can not reach
their destinations because the unions have taken matters into their own
hands. In the case of pilots, these are people who, according to industry,
on average make $140,000 while working less than 80 hours a month. At the
same time, according to the most recent data in 1999,the average per capita
income was $21,281.

The last two pilot contract negotiations, United and Delta, both of which
had alleged job actions with far reaching effects on the consumer, resulted
in a pay scale where, by the end of the contract, the senior pilots will
make over $280,000 in base pay with the ability to make one-third more for
voluntarily flying 25 more hours a month. Not only should the consumer not
have to suffer as a result of this avarice, but many analysts are concerned
that with labor costs rising so high, airlines will not be able to survive
economically or will at least put themselves in a hole for years to come.
Labor costs for an airline are now projected to be over 33% of its fixed
costs.

Many people argue that management has a choice, but in reality, the choice
is to give in to higher salary demands that a company may not be able to
afford or face a debilitating strike that may cripple the airline and force
it out of business. I don't believe that anyone would argue that is a
choice.

We have convened this hearing to look at these issues. Although this
subject is one that can be very divisive along party lines, I have received
complaints from both sides of the aisle about the current situation. I
welcome the witnesses today and look forward to a lively and spirited
debate."
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Old 08-01-2008 | 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Windsor
In the case of pilots, these are people who, according to industry,
on average make $140,000 while working less than 80 hours a month. At the
same time, according to the most recent data in 1999,the average per capita
income was $21,281.

The last two pilot contract negotiations, United and Delta, both of which
had alleged job actions with far reaching effects on the consumer, resulted
in a pay scale where, by the end of the contract, the senior pilots will
make over $280,000 in base pay with the ability to make one-third more for
voluntarily flying 25 more hours a month. Not only should the consumer not
have to suffer as a result of this avarice, but many analysts are concerned
that with labor costs rising so high, airlines will not be able to survive
economically or will at least put themselves in a hole for years to come.
Labor costs for an airline are now projected to be over 33% of its fixed
costs.
Granted this speech is from 2001. But this goes to show that McCain already thinks pilots salaries are bloated and we only work 80 hours a month. Certainly is not going to help us with our negotiations.
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Old 08-01-2008 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Windsor
Granted this speech is from 2001. But this goes to show that McCain already thinks pilots salaries are bloated and we only work 80 hours a month. Certainly is not going to help us with our negotiations.
All other political issues aside, I don't think anyone can argue that an Obama NMB would be less friendly to us than a McCain NMB.

One has to understand that people like Bush and McCain did not become pilots because they loved aviation...they became pilots because it was the "safest" option to avoid getting drafted for more-hazardous gound combat duty (vice going to Canada, so yeah, you can Clinton-bash here if you want). So don't go thinking McCain has some sort of camaraderie with the ranks of airline pilots just because he's got some turbine PIC in the military. This is about labor vs. corporations in a general sense, and everyone knows which party is more friendly to organized labor!
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Old 08-01-2008 | 02:44 PM
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All other political issues aside, I don't think anyone can argue that an Obama NMB would be less friendly to us than a McCain NMB.

One has to understand that people like Bush and McCain did not become pilots because they loved aviation...they became pilots because it was the "safest" option to avoid getting drafted for more-hazardous gound combat duty (vice going to Canada, so yeah, you can Clinton-bash here if you want). So don't go thinking McCain has some sort of camaraderie with the ranks of airline pilots just because he's got some turbine PIC in the military. This is about labor vs. corporations in a general sense, and everyone knows which party is more friendly to organized labor!
While I normally don't get involved in political debates and also don't believe that McCain's aviation background makes him airline pilot friendy I do find this statement presumptuous. I will not speak for Bush, but I don't believe McCain (son of a Navy Admiral) became a pilot to "avoid ground combat duty"....Naval Academy graduate during peacetime, volunteered for carrier based combat missions in Vietnam, refused an offer of repatriation that kept him a POW for an additional 5 years.....maybe its just me, but that sure doesn't say I can't handle the possibility of hazardous duty to me.....
With that said, none of this makes him any more likely to release PNCL to strike, but he did serve his country and for that should be respected whether he is the best choice for our personal interests or not.

W Bush...different story
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Old 08-01-2008 | 02:51 PM
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"While I normally don't get involved in political debates..."

Actually, if that's what this is going to become, then the thread will get locked. See TOS:

"There are currently NO forums that provide a venue for discussing politics or religion."
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Old 08-01-2008 | 03:03 PM
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Jesus even a Presidential candidate is just as stupid as ma and pa kettle when it comes to the whole "pilots make $100K a year and never have to work"
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Old 08-01-2008 | 08:02 PM
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OK...back on topic...SHOW ME THE MONEY!

Ha ha. J/K.
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Old 08-02-2008 | 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by nicholasblonde
OK...back on topic...SHOW ME THE MONEY!

Ha ha. J/K.

Absolutely!!!! I'm betting we will have to strike to get our money. But if we strike, the company will fold. Either way, STFD.
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Old 08-02-2008 | 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by de727ups
"While I normally don't get involved in political debates..."

Actually, if that's what this is going to become, then the thread will get locked. See TOS:

"There are currently NO forums that provide a venue for discussing politics or religion."
The reality is that sometimes topics in professional aviation and politics go hand in hand.
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Old 08-02-2008 | 08:10 AM
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while I completely agree with you, better be careful. The thread might get locked. Unfortunetly, this business involves politics and we should be able to discuss these issues.
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