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Old 08-02-2008 | 08:39 AM
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THE absolute worst possibility for PNCL pilots:
NW/Delta desperately want to rid themselves of the 50 seaters so they tell pncl mgmt to stall until we strike. We strike...both contracts are now voided and many 50 seat routes cut out completely, a lot of flying x-fered to the other 18 regionals in the delta/nw system PLUS the mgmt team secures addt. profitable flying from Delta for colgan's Q-400's.
Just my most nightmarish conclusion I can come up with at the moment.
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Old 08-02-2008 | 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by HIREME
THE absolute worst possibility for PNCL pilots:
NW/Delta desperately want to rid themselves of the 50 seaters so they tell pncl mgmt to stall until we strike. We strike...both contracts are now voided and many 50 seat routes cut out completely, a lot of flying x-fered to the other 18 regionals in the delta/nw system PLUS the mgmt team secures addt. profitable flying from Delta for colgan's Q-400's.
Just my most nightmarish conclusion I can come up with at the moment.
that is a bad scenario. that would mean that nwa would lose over 30% of their lift if they got rid of all of our 200's that quick. i honestly think that pinnacle will be one of the last operators of 200's. we have the newest fleet of them and i am thinking they will keep them around for a while longer, even with all the inefficiency talk.
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Old 08-02-2008 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Airsupport
that is a bad scenario. that would mean that nwa would lose over 30% of their lift if they got rid of all of our 200's that quick. i honestly think that pinnacle will be one of the last operators of 200's. we have the newest fleet of them and i am thinking they will keep them around for a while longer, even with all the inefficiency talk.

We would also have to strike for either 10 or 14 days before the contracts become a factor. At that point PNCL corp would be bankrupt without the NWA flying since its by far the vast majority of the revenue stream. I have my own thoughts on "why" and "how" which is why I told folks to by the stock for the second time around... I told to buy around $3... its been a few weeks and closed yesterday over $6.. Fall of 06 I said the same thing on the threat of "losing NWA flying if we don't sign the last, best, final offer" and the stock went from $6 to $20. Your welcome!

Don't worry about things outside your control. Stay unified, fly by the book, and trust the MEC. The MEC and PNCL mgmt both are not trying to run this company in the ground- they just threaten it to find a "amicable" middle point. I am thinking the meetings will end up with a TA in time- whether that's at the end of this month or next month, year, etc. Everyone who works at PNCL knew the payrates and workrules when they showed up- sure we wanted/expected a contract but in the back of our heads we all knew the other possibility that we are currently living. In Scott's words from May "I am P*ssed"...... MY MEC SPEAKS FOR ME!
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Old 08-02-2008 | 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by norskman2
That would be ironic, since Big John is, of course, an ex-Naval aviator.
And his son is an AA pilot!
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Old 08-03-2008 | 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by nicholasblonde
All other political issues aside, I don't think anyone can argue that an Obama NMB would be less friendly to us than a McCain NMB.

One has to understand that people like Bush and McCain did not become pilots because they loved aviation...they became pilots because it was the "safest" option to avoid getting drafted for more-hazardous gound combat duty (vice going to Canada, so yeah, you can Clinton-bash here if you want).
not saying you are wrong, but they may have not had a choice. My dad joined the Navy at the same time as McCain, had an engineering degree and wanted some type of engineering job. They told him, "you are going to be a pilot because with Vietnam we are running short on pilots" basically.
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Old 08-03-2008 | 07:37 AM
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Another thing is... our planes go out ontime for the most part everyday.
Im getting sick and tired of hearing Capts say... hurry up close the door when we dont have a cargo slip or something else that is somewhat needed.
Why do people feel the need here to break our backs for a company that does not care one bit about us????????

I think we need to take a lesson from our ASA brothers
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Old 08-03-2008 | 08:10 AM
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I just hope things can get resolved in DC...though I'm not holding my breath.
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Old 08-03-2008 | 11:47 AM
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Just remember that 9E is the best on time and cheapest operator of 50 seat jets out there, they won't just get rid of us. We deserve a contract! Don't get scared by managements threats. The night is always darkest just before dawn.
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Old 08-03-2008 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Airsupport
that is a bad scenario. that would mean that nwa would lose over 30% of their lift if they got rid of all of our 200's that quick. i honestly think that pinnacle will be one of the last operators of 200's. we have the newest fleet of them and i am thinking they will keep them around for a while longer, even with all the inefficiency talk.
New as in what? Comair's birds are probably only on average 8 years old. Pinnacle's are on average maybe 4 years old. Not much of a difference.
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Old 08-03-2008 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by bored
Mesaba was released in 2004 during the Bush administration. PCL mgmt will not settle until they HAVE TO. Nothing new here... same old dirty tactics.
We were only released because XJ managment enjoined us in the request to be released. Still not sure what the real reason was but had they not enjoined us we would still be in negotiations. The desert AVRO's came back for a little while but that was it for a while.
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