Mesa news?
08-06-2008 | 03:36 PM
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From: SkyWest Capt.
08-06-2008 | 03:41 PM
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From: UPS 757/767 Capt ONT
"but if you go there, don't expect a warm reception at your next airline interview."
I'm no fan of JO, but I have buddies from Mesa at America West and Delta. Even helped another one get hired at UPS. I don't believe that Mesa pilots are looked down upon at interviews.
I'm no fan of JO, but I have buddies from Mesa at America West and Delta. Even helped another one get hired at UPS. I don't believe that Mesa pilots are looked down upon at interviews.
08-06-2008 | 06:36 PM
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From: DHC-8 CA Furloughed
CFDoubleeye said "DO NOT APPLY TO OR FLY FOR MESA OR IT'S SUBSIDIARIES!"
"The practice of undercutting EVERY other airline in the industry is the reason so many can not get ahead and hire you in the first place. Pay rates are crippled..."
On the latest APC pay comparison, at year 7, 6 airlines pay more than Mesa, 4 pay the same as Mesa, and 4 pay less than Mesa. How is this undercutting an entire industry?
"...contracts are held back..."
Mesa has been in negotiation for about two years. Is this unusually long for the industry?
"...Mesa's predatory business practices that put many of my friends in the streets in Hawaii.. and several more soon to be on the streets in the Mainland."
HAL and Aloha have been in and out of bankruptcy several times over the years. I do not wish to see anyone furloughed, but I do not see how 5 RJ's could have possibly crippled an otherwise healthy airline. Is SWA guilty of predatory business practices against FAL in DEN? FAL is hurting and has to reduce flying by 17%. The next day SWA announces a 20% increase at DEN. I have spoken to some who have the theory that SWA moved into DEN strongly 3-4 years ago because they smelled FAL blood in the water. What makes Mesa so vicious and SWA so lovable?
Many use the term "bottom feeder" when referring to Mesa. Why is the term not applied to Virgin America with its pay rates? Why was it not applied to Skybus? How about Lynxx Aviation flying 74 seat aircraft at about the same rate of pay as Mesa's 37 seat DHC8-200's? At one time SWA was probably a "bottom feeder".
"Why do you apply to a company when you know it is the WORST one in the business? Why don't you take experienced pilots advice?"
Know who is handing out the advice. Someone who has never worked at Mesa? Someone who left Mesa in a lateral move to another regional and will never admit it was a mistake? Someone who flew at Mesa and is willing to give honest advice untainted with emotion? Internet forums are like a box of chocolates.
WORST? My theory...okay- guess, is that nearly all regionals are tough entry-level jobs that improve slowly as you gain seniority. The first time I flew in a real DHC8 cockpit, I was jumpseating to my IOE base. The FO was busy texting a buddy before push-back. "I know this dude who left here to go to SKW. He was hired in the same class as me", he said. "I am telling him about how I have been getting jet CA hold-back pay for the last three months".
Moments later his phone buzzed in reply. He read the message and chuckled. "He said, [expletive deleted] you'".
"There is no fixing Mesa.... but if you go there, don't expect a warm reception at your next airline interview."
Our MEC is working hard. We will see what the new TA contains. Plenty of Mesa pilots have gone on to the majors. Sadly, some of them are now coming back due to furloughs.
"The practice of undercutting EVERY other airline in the industry is the reason so many can not get ahead and hire you in the first place. Pay rates are crippled..."
On the latest APC pay comparison, at year 7, 6 airlines pay more than Mesa, 4 pay the same as Mesa, and 4 pay less than Mesa. How is this undercutting an entire industry?
"...contracts are held back..."
Mesa has been in negotiation for about two years. Is this unusually long for the industry?
"...Mesa's predatory business practices that put many of my friends in the streets in Hawaii.. and several more soon to be on the streets in the Mainland."
HAL and Aloha have been in and out of bankruptcy several times over the years. I do not wish to see anyone furloughed, but I do not see how 5 RJ's could have possibly crippled an otherwise healthy airline. Is SWA guilty of predatory business practices against FAL in DEN? FAL is hurting and has to reduce flying by 17%. The next day SWA announces a 20% increase at DEN. I have spoken to some who have the theory that SWA moved into DEN strongly 3-4 years ago because they smelled FAL blood in the water. What makes Mesa so vicious and SWA so lovable?
Many use the term "bottom feeder" when referring to Mesa. Why is the term not applied to Virgin America with its pay rates? Why was it not applied to Skybus? How about Lynxx Aviation flying 74 seat aircraft at about the same rate of pay as Mesa's 37 seat DHC8-200's? At one time SWA was probably a "bottom feeder".
"Why do you apply to a company when you know it is the WORST one in the business? Why don't you take experienced pilots advice?"
Know who is handing out the advice. Someone who has never worked at Mesa? Someone who left Mesa in a lateral move to another regional and will never admit it was a mistake? Someone who flew at Mesa and is willing to give honest advice untainted with emotion? Internet forums are like a box of chocolates.
WORST? My theory...okay- guess, is that nearly all regionals are tough entry-level jobs that improve slowly as you gain seniority. The first time I flew in a real DHC8 cockpit, I was jumpseating to my IOE base. The FO was busy texting a buddy before push-back. "I know this dude who left here to go to SKW. He was hired in the same class as me", he said. "I am telling him about how I have been getting jet CA hold-back pay for the last three months".
Moments later his phone buzzed in reply. He read the message and chuckled. "He said, [expletive deleted] you'".
"There is no fixing Mesa.... but if you go there, don't expect a warm reception at your next airline interview."
Our MEC is working hard. We will see what the new TA contains. Plenty of Mesa pilots have gone on to the majors. Sadly, some of them are now coming back due to furloughs.
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08-06-2008 | 06:51 PM
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From: Chief Flight Instructor seated at a desk
One of my instructors interviewed there last week. His interview went well, but he got an email saying that they weren't hiring and to reapply in the future. He also said that there were at least 11/20 guys there with over 3500 hours and Part 121 experience.
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08-06-2008 | 06:52 PM
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CFDoubleeye said "DO NOT APPLY TO OR FLY FOR MESA OR IT'S SUBSIDIARIES!"
"The practice of undercutting EVERY other airline in the industry is the reason so many can not get ahead and hire you in the first place. Pay rates are crippled..."
On the latest APC pay comparison, at year 7, 6 airlines pay more than Mesa, 4 pay the same as Mesa, and 4 pay less than Mesa. How is this undercutting an entire industry?
"...contracts are held back..."
Mesa has been in negotiation for about two years. Is this unusually long for the industry?
"...Mesa's predatory business practices that put many of my friends in the streets in Hawaii.. and several more soon to be on the streets in the Mainland."
HAL and Aloha have been in and out of bankruptcy several times over the years. I do not wish to see anyone furloughed, but I do not see how 5 RJ's could have possibly crippled an otherwise healthy airline. Is SWA guilty of predatory business practices against FAL in DEN? FAL is hurting and has to reduce flying by 17%. The next day SWA announces a 20% increase at DEN. I have spoken to some who have the theory that SWA moved into DEN strongly 3-4 years ago because they smelled FAL blood in the water. What makes Mesa so vicious and SWA so lovable?
Many use the term "bottom feeder" when referring to Mesa. Why is the term not applied to Virgin America with its pay rates? Why was it not applied to Skybus? How about Lynxx Aviation flying 74 seat aircraft at about the same rate of pay as Mesa's 37 seat DHC8-200's? At one time SWA was probably a "bottom feeder".
"Why do you apply to a company when you know it is the WORST one in the business? Why don't you take experienced pilots advice?"
Know who is handing out the advice. Someone who has never worked at Mesa? Someone who left Mesa in a lateral move to another regional and will never admit it was a mistake? Someone who flew at Mesa and is willing to give honest advice untainted with emotion? Internet forums are like a box of chocolates.
WORST? My theory...okay- guess, is that nearly all regionals are tough entry-level jobs that improve slowly as you gain seniority. The first time I flew in a real DHC8 cockpit, I was jumpseating to my IOE base. The FO was busy texting a buddy before push-back. "I know this dude who left here to go to SKW. He was hired in the same class as me", he said. "I am telling him about how I have been getting jet CA hold-back pay for the last three months".
Moments later his phone buzzed in reply. He read the message and chuckled. "He said, '******* you'".
"There is no fixing Mesa.... but if you go there, don't expect a warm reception at your next airline interview."
Our MEC is working hard. We will see what the new TA contains. Plenty of Mesa pilots have gone on to the majors. Sadly, some of them are now coming back due to furloughs.
"The practice of undercutting EVERY other airline in the industry is the reason so many can not get ahead and hire you in the first place. Pay rates are crippled..."
On the latest APC pay comparison, at year 7, 6 airlines pay more than Mesa, 4 pay the same as Mesa, and 4 pay less than Mesa. How is this undercutting an entire industry?
"...contracts are held back..."
Mesa has been in negotiation for about two years. Is this unusually long for the industry?
"...Mesa's predatory business practices that put many of my friends in the streets in Hawaii.. and several more soon to be on the streets in the Mainland."
HAL and Aloha have been in and out of bankruptcy several times over the years. I do not wish to see anyone furloughed, but I do not see how 5 RJ's could have possibly crippled an otherwise healthy airline. Is SWA guilty of predatory business practices against FAL in DEN? FAL is hurting and has to reduce flying by 17%. The next day SWA announces a 20% increase at DEN. I have spoken to some who have the theory that SWA moved into DEN strongly 3-4 years ago because they smelled FAL blood in the water. What makes Mesa so vicious and SWA so lovable?
Many use the term "bottom feeder" when referring to Mesa. Why is the term not applied to Virgin America with its pay rates? Why was it not applied to Skybus? How about Lynxx Aviation flying 74 seat aircraft at about the same rate of pay as Mesa's 37 seat DHC8-200's? At one time SWA was probably a "bottom feeder".
"Why do you apply to a company when you know it is the WORST one in the business? Why don't you take experienced pilots advice?"
Know who is handing out the advice. Someone who has never worked at Mesa? Someone who left Mesa in a lateral move to another regional and will never admit it was a mistake? Someone who flew at Mesa and is willing to give honest advice untainted with emotion? Internet forums are like a box of chocolates.
WORST? My theory...okay- guess, is that nearly all regionals are tough entry-level jobs that improve slowly as you gain seniority. The first time I flew in a real DHC8 cockpit, I was jumpseating to my IOE base. The FO was busy texting a buddy before push-back. "I know this dude who left here to go to SKW. He was hired in the same class as me", he said. "I am telling him about how I have been getting jet CA hold-back pay for the last three months".
Moments later his phone buzzed in reply. He read the message and chuckled. "He said, '******* you'".
"There is no fixing Mesa.... but if you go there, don't expect a warm reception at your next airline interview."
Our MEC is working hard. We will see what the new TA contains. Plenty of Mesa pilots have gone on to the majors. Sadly, some of them are now coming back due to furloughs.
08-06-2008 | 07:50 PM
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From: Boeing 737 First Officer
Funny....I did three years at Mesa & then skipped right over to Southwest. I interviewed with 11 other people....all regional guys. Two others were Mesa, one Skywest, 2 Comair, 1 ExpressJet, 1 Eagle, 1 Air Whiskey, 1 ASA & 1 Mesaba. Myself and one other Mesa guy were hired along with the pilot from Skywest.
My new-hire class at Southwest had 3 other ex-Mesa guys and two Skywest guys in addition to the military guys. Every time I report for duty in my pilot base, I run into a group of ex-Mesa guys. The place is crawling with them! The Captain that I am currently flying with is an ex Florida Gulf (Mesa) Beech 1900 driver. Don't seem to ever fly with any guys who used to work for the "premier" regionals....LUV just doesn't seem to hire many of them. The People Department seems to be pretty good at "weeding out" the primadonas (sp.). Southwest hires for "attitude"....period.
The statement that "don't expect a warm welcome at your next airline interview" sounds like it came from someone who doesn't really know what they are talking about or is bitter because they flamed out at an interview with the majors.
One possible explanation of why Mesa, Great Lakes, etc. pilots get hired in higher percentages is probably because they have had a tough time getting their time with the company they work for and are extremely motivated to move on. Most had a fair amount of time hand flying Beech 1900s or Dash 8's before they moved on to the jet, rather than just starting out pushing buttons on the jet right away. Most don't bat an eye at spending 8 grand getting their type ratings and doing whatever it takes to make it to the majors. I know that the guys who interviewed me knew how difficult it was to come from Mesa and were very encouraging and helpful & wanted to help me out. The welcome that I received was extremely warm and friendly & I was in class a few months later.
Make the best decision based upon the information that you have. Best of luck wherever you end up.
Last edited by mesasurvivor; 08-06-2008 at 08:01 PM.
08-06-2008 | 08:02 PM
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My friend's cousin Joe has an uncle who knows a janitor that works on Wall Street, they heard the same thing.
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