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bored 08-08-2008 09:51 AM

He deserves the job? Wow why is that? He better earn it, jobs aren't just handed out to those who think they deserve them.

threegreen 08-08-2008 09:57 AM

bored,

relax!!! he deserves an interview. i never said a job (that will be up to the HR ppl to decide).

Seriously, take a chill pill

bored 08-08-2008 10:23 AM

I'm not worked up... just too many people that view the job as a sense of entitlement and wanted see what you meant. Good luck to your buddy, I hear HR and the pilots that hire have their pick of the litter, since the hiring has slowed down they can be even more selective. I guess only 4-5 people are getting interviews each month, good for him for getting the call!

XJPILOT1 08-08-2008 11:39 AM


Originally Posted by threegreen (Post 441040)
bored,

relax!!! he deserves an interview. i never said a job (that will be up to the HR ppl to decide).

Seriously, take a chill pill


Seriously...where do you get one....?

Puckhead 08-08-2008 09:04 PM

Walgreens.....aisle 3....23.99

BIGRIG 08-09-2008 04:25 AM


Originally Posted by EFIScompmon (Post 440983)
Its true. We are getting more 900's! The total will be around 100 CRJ-900's.
Expect an announcement very soon!

Man I luv da nine. Its pretty baller. My favorite part is making the announcements! Chicks dig it.

Whats your problem with the -900's? Or is this a joke and I might have missed the sarcasm? It is early.

Lighteningspeed 08-09-2008 04:49 AM


Originally Posted by djrogs03 (Post 440971)
So it seems like lately I keep hearing everyone say we are getting the additional 36 900's...I even heard this 2 days before my checkride from an LCA (March 11). But then I hear people say well we can't get the additional 36 because of a scope clause. But then I hear people say well we can't get them till we merge with Delta...blah blah blah. What's the story...

Is the 36 RJ's and all or nothing deal too...

So let's go out on a limb here and say we do get the additional 36 to put in place the phase out of the DC-9 and Delta's MD's, about two weeks ago it was reported that Delta was interested in being the US launch customer for the Bombardier C-Series. What's gunna happen to the 900 if all those C-Series come on line in 2012.

I've also heard talk of us dumping our 200's and doing the transition for 200 crews to the 900. Is there any truth to this...

This is what I heard when I was in recurrent training in June and since then has heard again from several very senior CAs. Mesaba will get the additional 18 CRJ900s after the initial 36 have been delivered. MSP would not be getting the additional CRJ900 simulator in 2009 in addition to the CRJ sims there already if Mesaba is only getting 36. Another reason is the CRJ900 is about 15% more fuel efficient than E175. Do not expect to see anymore E175s going to regionals like Skywest, Compass or Mesaba for DAL. This is because NWA and DAL is looking for a true 100 to 120 seat fuel efficient replacement for DC9s, MD80s and A320s. People have talked about Bombardier C-series but they are not available yet and if they are ordered, it looks like they will be mainline jets to be flown by mainline pilots which is a good thing in the long run.

Also the Director of Ops has not directly said but hinted we might be getting the CRJ1000 because NWA has options for ANY Bombardier jet for any additional jets. Don't make too much out of this, take it for what it is, educated speculations. And don't try to make statements like you have more confirmed facts because you do not. None of us do unless you are in top management at NWA or DAL.

FYI, DAL CEO Anderson was on my flight from ATL to MSP last month.

bored 08-09-2008 06:13 AM

So now we're getting another 900 sim? That's news to me. Haven't heard that one lightningspeed. Just for arguments sake... why do you think a senior 900 Capt. would know more than the average line pilot? Information does not trickle down in seniority order. The delivery of further 900s is COMPLETE speculation, it is not confirmed and has not been indicated by NWA that it will happen. Furthermore, where are all these stats people keep spewing about how much more efficient the 900 is vs. the 175? I've heard the same stuff from an APD, but I'm just curious where the numbers are? Maybe SL has them? You have mentioned this before in many threads but there still isn't proof in writing that the 900 is so much better than the 175.

NWA has always been looking for a true 100 seat DC9 replacement a/c... the reason they've kept them so long is that there isn't a viable replacement. The DC9s have several more years left in them and can certainly fly until the Cseries comes on line. As for the CRJ1000... riiiiiiiiight.

Once again, the bottom line is that we're all wondering about the future. I've been around XJ long enough to know what to believe and when to believe it. For now, I'll stick to the known quantity, since there isn't anything I can do about it anyhow. Speculating is fun, but you gotta remember it's just that... speculation. Also, at least do you your homework about the speculation before spouting it on a forum (not necessarily you lightning, just in general.)

Lighteningspeed 08-09-2008 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by bored (Post 441486)
So now we're getting another 900 sim? That's news to me. Haven't heard that one lightningspeed. Just for arguments sake... why do you think a senior 900 Capt. would know more than the average line pilot? Information does not trickle down in seniority order. The delivery of further 900s is COMPLETE speculation, it is not confirmed and has not been indicated by NWA that it will happen. Furthermore, where are all these stats people keep spewing about how much more efficient the 900 is vs. the 175? I've heard the same stuff from an APD, but I'm just curious where the numbers are? Maybe SL has them? You have mentioned this before in many threads but there still isn't proof in writing that the 900 is so much better than the 175.

NWA has always been looking for a true 100 seat DC9 replacement a/c... the reason they've kept them so long is that there isn't a viable replacement. The DC9s have several more years left in them and can certainly fly until the Cseries comes on line. As for the CRJ1000... riiiiiiiiight.

Once again, the bottom line is that we're all wondering about the future. I've been around XJ long enough to know what to believe and when to believe it. For now, I'll stick to the known quantity, since there isn't anything I can do about it anyhow. Speculating is fun, but you gotta remember it's just that... speculation. Also, at least do you your homework about the speculation before spouting it on a forum (not necessarily you lightning, just in general.)

I stated clearly that whatever I said is an educated speculation at best. And yes I do my homework before making any statements. You apparently do also, as you claim. So you are not the only doing your homework. I do not want to get into silly debate with another Mesaba Pilot. I have too much respect for Mesaba pilots to do that. In fact I do not have any desire to do so even with other regional pilots.

You are entitled to believe what you want, just don't make it sound like your opinion is the only one feasible, because it is not. If you read my entire post you would have realized that I also stated none of us have any real info unless you are one of the top executives at NWA or DAL.

CRJ100 is a pure speculation, and I clearly indicated as such. You need to read more carefuly and not read so much into it. People speculate on this forum because it is fun. If you don't like it, don't read them.

As far as fuel efficiency and other efficiency factors, do your homework. Talk to CP, base managers, maintenance techs, research online. I find it hard to believe that you can't seem to comprehend that. Just looking at the dimensions, location of the engines, drag factors would indicate that CRJ9 is cleaner and more streamlined.

bored 08-09-2008 06:52 AM

Look - I'm not arguing with you. I'm just stating fact. Senior pilots don't know anymore than the junior ones. The facts are out there for everyone... as far as we know we will operate 36 900s, 17 200s and 49 saabs. EVERYTHING else is speculation. Too many FOs I fly with and in reading this board and that other new Mesaba webboard is that people are so misinformed it's comical and disapointing at the same time. I'm not proclaiming my opinion on here at all... I proclaim the facts, because those are the only thing that matter.

Regarding the 175 vs. 900 debate. Stats from the factory etc... are generic. Talking to mechanics is one piece of the puzzle. The meat and potatoes for the argument are going to be the numbers NWA has in their files. Those numbers matter more than any generic operating stats because they're valid for their operation. Unfortunately you or I don't have access to those numbers, so I refrain from commenting on the 76 seat battle for lack of proper info. At face value I would guess the 900 is indeed more efficient. But I wouldn't proclaim that from the highest tower because I've heard from others that the 900 beats the 175 hands down.

There is no point in arguing, after all we're both on the same team... Mesaba. I just fly with so many FOs that are so misguided by the rumor mill it's horrible. Too many people get caught up in the flury of rumors and speculation that they start believing it. I flew with an FO convinced he was getting furloughed so he was going to look for another job. Incredible. Respect the Mesaba pilots.... that's awesome. Just think about where the info is coming from and do some homework before believing it! Again lightningspeed - that is a generic comment, don't take it personally.


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