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JetJock16 08-09-2008 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed (Post 441448)
Another reason is the CRJ900 is about 15% more fuel efficient than E175. Do not expect to see anymore E175s going to regionals like Skywest, Compass or Mesaba for DAL. This is because NWA and DAL is looking for a true 100 to 120 seat fuel efficient replacement for DC9s, MD80s and A320s. People have talked about Bombardier C-series but they are not available yet and if they are ordered, it looks like they will be mainline jets to be flown by mainline pilots which is a good thing in the long run.

I guess we should be happy with the one’s we have. :rolleyes:

BTW, we have more CR9’s (they are NG's) inked and scheduled to come on-line for Daddy D once they are delivered.

Superpilot92 08-09-2008 09:49 AM

Have you seen the new DAL scope that will be inked in if the JCBA is signed in? Your answers on any further growth are there, basically none. FWIW There is a limit on aircraft numbers and takeoff weights, etc. Check it out.

Lightningspeed is pretty much right. Also The CRJ1000 will be over the max takeoff weight thus wouldnt be allowed to be flown by a regional for DAL.

JetJock16 08-09-2008 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 441562)
Have you seen the new DAL scope that will be inked in if the JCBA is signed in? Your answers on any further growth are there, basically none. FWIW There is a limit on aircraft numbers and takeoff weights, etc. Check it out.

True, NWA's current numbers mean nothing. I personally hope that the new DAL/NWA merger numbers put the kibosh on all this crap. The CR1000 cannot be allowed to fly for any US regional and the number of CR9 like a/c needs to remain restricted. I'm more than certain it will, at least with DAL.

KEEP MAINLINE JOBS AT MAINLINE!!!!! Protect our future!

Superpilot92 08-09-2008 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 441567)
True, NWA's current numbers mean nothing. I personally hope that the new DAL/NWA merger numbers put the kibosh on all this crap. The CR1000 cannot be allowed to fly for any US regional and the number of CR9 like a/c needs to remain restricted. I'm more than certain it will, at least with DAL.

KEEP MAINLINE JOBS AT MAINLINE!!!!! Protect our future!

Right but the CRJ 1000 is a 100 seat plane and in order to put that at a regional under DAL's current scope they would have to scale it down to 76 seats. That would make that plane pointless for the most part. Especially when DAL has said on a number of occasions that a 100 seat replacement is coming and its coming to mainline. I think we agree thats good news for our industry.;)

Lighteningspeed 08-09-2008 12:07 PM

I think CRJ9 is already stretched enough as it is. CRJ1000 is going overboard in my opinion even if regionals are allowed to fly them. Makes no sense. I hope DAL is not allowed to do away with the current scope clause, otherwise my chances of moving up to DAL or NWA becomes slim to none unless I go fly for foreign carriers overseas. Majors like DAL and NWA need a fuel efficient 100 to 120 seat replacement jets for DC9s, MD80s, and A319/320s.

djrogs03 08-09-2008 01:55 PM

I saw that someone posted a comment on how our 900's are 30% more fuel efficient than the 175...this is true.

Restifo came into our training class and proved it, not to mention we had a couple ground instructors that used to fly 175's and they said the 900 blows it out of the water...

The fact is the 900 and 175 have the same engines...

NWA got the 900 cause it is faster and more efficient

NWA got the 175 cause it has a higher payload and is more comfortable...mainly why we don't fly to Mexico or Florida

Lighteningspeed 08-09-2008 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by djrogs03 (Post 441666)
I saw that someone posted a comment on how our 900's are 30% more fuel efficient than the 175...this is true.

Restifo came into our training class and proved it, not to mention we had a couple ground instructors that used to fly 175's and they said the 900 blows it out of the water...

The fact is the 900 and 175 have the same engines...

NWA got the 900 cause it is faster and more efficient

NWA got the 175 cause it has a higher payload and is more comfortable...mainly why we don't fly to Mexico or Florida


I agree with most of what you are saying except CRJ900 and E175s do not have same engines. CRJ900 NWA ordered for us is an enhanced NextGen version that has 19,450 lbs thrust per side where as E175 only has about 14,500 lbs thrust per side and E175 is heavier and has more drag because it is wider and has engines mounted under the wings. CRJ900 can outclimb and is definitely faster, but is only about 15% more fuwel efficient, I believe. 30% seems little too high.

Not sure about E175s having a higher payload. CRJ900 I think the payload for both is very close. CRJ900 is just as comfortable as E175s. E175s in the cabin is only about 4 inches wider. I have sat in both as a passenger recently and I couldn't tell the difference. Word has it from the training department that we will be flying to Florida as well.

sigep_nm 08-09-2008 04:56 PM


Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed (Post 441688)
I agree with most of what you are saying except CRJ900 and E175s do not have same engines. CRJ900 NWA ordered for us is an enhanced NextGen version that has 19,450 lbs thrust per side where as E175 only has about 14,500 lbs thrust per side and E175 is heavier and has more drag because it is wider and has engines mounted under the wings. CRJ900 can outclimb and is definitely faster, but is only about 15% more fuwel efficient, I believe. 30% seems little too high.

Not sure about E175s having a higher payload. CRJ900 I think the payload for both is very close. CRJ900 is just as comfortable as E175s. E175s in the cabin is only about 4 inches wider. I have sat in both as a passenger recently and I couldn't tell the difference. Word has it from the training department that we will be flying to Florida as well.

The 900 doesnt put out 19500 a side, unless I have been flying the dumbed down version. It is in the 1370 range with an uptrim to 14500. I cant comment on the pax seating as I have never been in the 175. On a side not however I cant recall the last time that NWA ever cared about passenger comfort. The only reason they have the 200 is so they can p!ss off 50 people at a time. I think the 900 may be faster but we dont fly it anywhere near its top speed. Florida is Comair territory and I suspect it will probably stay that way. You may see some but it would be coming from MEM.

djrogs03 08-09-2008 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed (Post 441688)
Word has it from the training department that we will be flying to Florida as well.


When I was in training they said we would be taking the 900 to Aspen and Nassau...rriiiiiiiiiiiight

contrails 08-09-2008 05:48 PM

All of you who keep referencing senior check airman and training department people crack me up.

That goes for any airline not just Mesaba.


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