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bne744 08-09-2008 05:57 PM

From what I am hearing from a lot of you on here is that you are hoping that Mesaba gets more planes and even get the CRJ1000, now would you rather have Mesaba get these planes or have them go to mainline?? I don't know what your intentions are but I sure don't want to stay at Mesaba for the rest of my life and agree with JetJock and Superpilot in the fact that we want mainline (NWA/DAL) to grow and not the regionals, now of course mainline views us as cheap labor and would love us to grow because we could fly the same planes but for twice as less, theres too many people out there that are like "ohhh I get to FLY A JET, it gives me a massive arousal" and don't even consider where they want to be 10 years down the road and that is what JetJock and SuperPilot is trying to say is that we want mainline to grow, we want more jobs there, keep the flowthrough going and make more money, theres too many people settling for flying for night time assistant manager at McDonald's wages just cuz they get to fly a big FAST JET and its way better than the Piper Warrior I was flying last year, so please don't fall into that trap, now it would be nice that Mesaba gets some more planes, but we also want to see the NWA/DAL get more and grow more because that is where many of our future jobs will be, as JETJOCK said "KEEP MAINLINE JOBS, Protect our futures!!!!"

Superpilot92 08-09-2008 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by bne744 (Post 441779)
From what I am hearing from a lot of you on here is that you are hoping that Mesaba gets more planes and even get the CRJ1000, now would you rather have Mesaba get these planes or have them go to mainline?? I don't know what your intentions are but I sure don't want to stay at Mesaba for the rest of my life and agree with JetJock and Superpilot in the fact that we want mainline (NWA/DAL) to grow and not the regionals, now of course mainline views us as cheap labor and would love us to grow because we could fly the same planes but for twice as less, theres too many people out there that are like "ohhh I get to FLY A JET, it gives me a massive arousal" and don't even consider where they want to be 10 years down the road and that is what JetJock and SuperPilot is trying to say is that we want mainline to grow, we want more jobs there, keep the flowthrough going and make more money, theres too many people settling for flying for night time assistant manager at McDonald's wages just cuz they get to fly a big FAST JET and its way better than the Piper Warrior I was flying last year, so please don't fall into that trap, now it would be nice that Mesaba gets some more planes, but we also want to see the NWA/DAL get more and grow more because that is where many of our future jobs will be, as JETJOCK said "KEEP MAINLINE JOBS, Protect our futures!!!!"

DING DING DING, we have a Winner!!

100% dead on

flythemuppets 08-09-2008 07:38 PM

Granted I've only been living the dream here for a year but the thing that gets me, is why are we getting hostile amongst ourselves. It'd be great to see new or more aircraft and it would be great to see more movement in seniority. My beef is with guys like me that have a year or less of seniority and are so damn gloomy, I find myself reminding more people than not at the end of the day, we all still have jobs. Regardless of scope, dal merger etc etc it is what it is and I think now might be a time to not necessarily be happy, nor sad, but how about content and out there to support guys flying that are a lot less fortunate than we are.

bored 08-09-2008 08:35 PM

Muppets - you're right on. It's incredible how disgruntled, negative and as you said, gloomy many of the FOs I fly with are! You guys think this is bad? Just ask anyone at XJ who was around between 2001-2007 THEY will tell you what bad is. Anyone hired at XJ in 2007-2008 doesn't realize how good they've got it.

Growth... it's a double edged sword. We all want to advance our careers, which will come with growth. It comes at a price, like less jobs at mainline. Fortunately for Mesaba all the new jobs created in this last hiring boom are in reality, backfill from the constant shrinkage XJ experienced between 2001 and 2006. I don't view our latest "growth" as a boon for us and negative for mainline. After all, we're just getting back to the size we once were. However if MAINLINE relaxes scope further and we end up growing at their expense, we teeter on the edge of that sword. In the end, we as pilots at the regional level can't do anything about what mainline does to their contract. It's out of our hands... we just fly what we're given.

xjsaab 08-10-2008 06:31 AM

Hasn't anyone else figured out that for every aircraft we add we need 10 pilots to staff so we will need Five more Captains. Yet if "Delwest" adds an aircraft and 9 of our Captains flow and we will need Nine new Captains!!! 5 vs 9 do the math.

For the FO's who are supposedly complaining, who cares, you'll find these folks at any job. Let the supposed rough times weed out these guys. Some will jump ship, quit etc. We've seen it before, we'll see it again.

BIGRIG 08-10-2008 07:39 AM

A lot of FO's have seen rough times before as well. Some are from Big Sky and Skyway. Do we have any other airline refugees here at Mesaba? I hope these arent the ones that are complaining.

RoughLandings 08-10-2008 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by xjsaab (Post 441911)
Yet if "Delwest" adds an aircraft...

I thought it was Northwelta...or maybe Delthwest. I can never get it right.

sigep_nm 08-10-2008 12:14 PM

I must have missed the memo where it said that we as regional pilots get to choose what airplanes come to our company and what routes we get to fly them on.

ebl14 08-10-2008 12:20 PM

Do you guys know if Mesaba will have flow to Delta post-merger... I have heard Compass will.

sigep_nm 08-10-2008 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by ebl14 (Post 442067)
Do you guys know if Mesaba will have flow to Delta post-merger... I have heard Compass will.

yes we will


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