Actually, KLM and Lufthansa both own their feeders (Cityhopper and Cityline resp.) In case of KLM, mainline pilots fly the commuters, in case of LH they have some sort of flow through agreement.

Not sure about BA.

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Ba has several contractors. One example is Sunair in Denmark.

Lufthansa does hire contractors. One example is air dolomiti.

I beleive KLM recently signed a similar deal with ScotAir.

 

It's already been said - but it's supply and demand. As long as pilots work for the pay, they are paid enough. If it wasn't enough pay, they'd leave for a better paying job. It's harsh, but it's the simple truth.

And the public couldn't care less what pilots are paid. I know as I made a point of talking about it anytime I deadheaded or commuted. Rarely, someone thought we were underpaid. More often than not, they didn't care if it kept their ticket prices down.

But yes - I do agree that prospective pilots should be educated about what they are getting into. Times have changed, and I'd bet the most coming in have no clue what they are getting into. I know I certainly didn't realize the realities of the industry when I got in. I wish I would have been 'educated' on those very early on. But then again, it was a different industry back then.

 

I totally agree with nightsky. I laugh every time I see someone post this type of question cause like its always said...someone is always gonna do it for cheaper whether it be to put food on the table to because this job isnt just a job but a passion.
I did the PFT thru GIA and now am flying the A320 overseas but just in case you guys wondered, they pay peanuts over on this side of the world too be it in latin america or in the middle east, pay is always gonna be adjusted to the city/country the airline is in.
In the end all of us pay for our training one way or another(Im not defending PFT, if it works good if it doesnt you got screwed) but with first year wages about to match mcdonalds soon, all of us are headed down the pipe.
just my 2 cents,
afxarmed

 

Supply and demand. No pilots = higher wages. 600,000 us pilots = lower wages. The good news is the number of comm pilots has been going way down since 9/11 so that should help somewhat but I think we all know the damage has been done, we'll never make pre 911 rates.

 

But we also shouldnt settle/and be making poverty level rates as well.

The majors took a huge hit after 9/11. I may be a little misinformed as to what happened exactly but it boggles my mind to think that they gave up so much without much of a fight. And now they will never see it back, and if they will.. it will take a long time, and will be an uphill battle.

 

Why not? I've never heard CEO's and management referencing their pay to 9/11. Bad way of thinking... even if it might be reality

 

Air Dolomiti is actually 100% owned by LH. ScotAir, that's the first I have heard of that. It may be some sort of codeshare as our contract wouldn't allow much else.

Like I said, BA, I don't know much about.

Whatch out, the grass may seem greener on the other side, but also in Europe there are some crappy companies, paying minimum wages with long hours. The US doesn't have the monopoly there. But indeed LH, KLM, AF, etc are pretty good.

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hey milky so if you are so smart can you educate and tell me please why the goverment bail out all this companies????
I dont like socialism but hey this way of doing business took us to the ground dont you think??
we may have different views but I have more than 10 years of business managment in different companies like Ford,VW...and I now have my own company so from my point of view you are the ignorant here just take a look at your post.

 

Besides the grammar and spelling, this is a pretty ignorant post. No offense, but the bail-outs that happened were not because of lack of regulation. They were because of over-regulation. I'm sure I won't convince you on a chat board like this, but you really should do a little research instead of taking your cues from what you hear on tv. And, for the record, the bailouts are actually a form of government regulation. If the companies were allowed to fail, it would fix the industry. These companies were told by the government that they would catch them if they fell, so they took much higher risks than they should have. If they thought they might actually face failure with their risks, they would have been less risky in their endeavors. Just do me one favor. Read a book on economics. Anything by Sowell, Lott, or many other fine, educated men. You'll be surprised at what you don't know.


Hey Milky so Obama,Mcain and all the economist talking on the news these days are wrong too!!!
they are saying that this happened for lack of REGULATION...so I guess they are ignorants too and need to read Showell and Lott???